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    It's not the same.

    You have to "Pack" and "Unpack" folders. What a pain. In Cubase everything you have done is always there, you just open the branch out just like a folder on your hard drive. Open a section, edit something, close it away again or leave it open. So simple. Sometimes you unpack things, and all hell breaks loose, everything is everywhere. Folders in Cubase are fantastic and how it should be IMO. Logic is just bizarre and completely counter intuitive, to me at least. As Dietz said, it's just a matter of personal opinion. We all share our experiences so others can make their own mind up.

    Suon: You are right the cubase score editor is great and has always been a strong feature, and is underappreciated / over looked. I haven't used Sebelius - haven't had much need to print much score material but the few times I have I've used Cubase and found nothing lacking. But has anyone used Cubase and Sebelius I wonder and is there anything that Sebelius has that Cubase doesn't? 
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    @mpower88 said:

    It's not the same.

    You have to "Pack" and "Unpack" folders. What a pain. In Cubase everything you have done is always there, you just open the branch out just like a folder on your hard drive. Open a section, edit something, close it away again or leave it open. So simple. Sometimes you unpack things, and all hell breaks loose, everything is everywhere. Folders in Cubase are fantastic and how it should be IMO. Logic is just bizarre and completely counter intuitive, to me at least. As Dietz said, it's just a matter of personal opinion. We all share our experiences so others can make their own mind up.

    You cannot make it more simple than in Logic

    It is not this kind of feature that will put a + for Cubase,

    Do you have a multi take folder in Cubase where you can use the 1st and the second mesure of take one, the mesure 3 and 4 of take 2 ........

    Then environnement in Logic is at least 2 x + for Logic, 

    Can you redraw an audio signal with a pencil in cubase ?

    A good point in Logic that was not in the version of Cubase I saw a few time ago, is that Logic is complettly multi task, you can play, edit, create, load at the same time. You can open the same windows many time with different display parameter

     The big plus for Logic is that you have very good effects all included, even multi channels effects 5.1 to 7.1, banks with thousands of inst all included

    Why is there is Cubase and Nuendo ??
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    @Cyril said:

    [...] Why is there is Cubase and Nuendo ??

    I'm not sure that I understand your last sentence, but could it be that you haven't worked a lot with other DAWs than Logic ...?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I have seen working Cubase a few year ago but I never saw Nuendo 

    I spoke a lot about Cubase with my friend that has moved to Logic. 

    What is the difference between Cubase and Nuendo ? is it a super Cubase ?
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    I think the answer for the OP is a mixture of things. Workflow is everything, as far as I'm concerned, and if you like the way of working with Logic, then that's obviously the program for you. I just know that to do what I do in Nuendo would take me many more hours in Logic. If you have no need of the tools I have come to  rely on, then it wouldn't matter.

    As far as working with VEP I think it's painfully obvious from reading this forum which program has the most problems. [;)]

    DG
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    I haven't used it but from what I have heard they are really quite similar, but Nuendo is more geared towards surround and video applications.
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    It's a very difficult choice.

    I cannot help much. I've been using Logic since version 3. Meanwhile I was flirting with Digital Performer and ProTools (version 4) back to those old days, when ProTools had nothing to do regarding MIDI.

    A good point for Logic is the whole pack. It comes with 50 Gb of Apple Loops and very very good FX plugins and instruments. In the other hand I have to admit it's very complicated sometimes, but the features under the hood (the environment stuff) is a must if you wanna do crazy things.

    I'm not in the mood for switching to a different program. I'm just happy with Logic. The learning curve is really high in any of them.

    DP is very filmscoring oriented and that really appeals to me, but have no time to learn it from scratch. Also some users are reporting problems

    @DG said:

    As far as working with VEP I think it's painfully obvious from reading this forum which program has the most problems.

    DG

    Yep. This is sadly true. Logic and VEP 4 was an awesome team. With VEP 5 things are not that good. Relly lloking forward to an upcoming update [;)]
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    @mpower88 said:

    I haven't used it but from what I have heard they are really quite similar, but Nuendo is more geared towards surround and video applications.

     

    There are many more options that most musicians won't need, but there are some automation things and other workflow enhancements that IMO are better than Cubase. However, the reason that I use it is that when I moved over from Cubase VST, there were things that I really needed in Nuendo, that weren't in Cubase. Now they are, but as upgrade prices are the same, there is really no point in changing.

    DG
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    @cojoncio said:

    In the other hand I have to admit it's very complicated sometimes, but the features under the hood (the environment stuff) is a must if you wanna do crazy things.

     

    I've heard this said before, but I don't know any specifics. If you have time, I'd be interested to know what you can do in the Environment that you can't do in other programs.

    DG
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    @DG said:

    I've heard this said before, but I don't know any specifics. If you have time, I'd be interested to know what you can do in the Environment that you can't do in other programs.

    DG

    First of all I'm not a Logic champion. If you read between lines in my other post, you could see that I wouldn't choose Logic today if I were a begginer, but I'm too old to make a transition now[;)]

    I don't know what other DAWs can do but nowadays they're pretty similar, so choosing one of another is just a matter of taste or (in my case) what I was recommended by friends.

    Back to previous versions of Logic, it was the only program to offer something like the environment, where you can tweak almost everything:

    From making your own librarian for external MIDI devices to making complete grooves with the press of a key, or create complex lines from a single melody, or also re-harmonize  a progression. The possibilities are endless. I've seen crazy environmets from electroacoustic composers that could do the most bizarre but still amazing things. I haven't seen any electroacoustic composer using anything else but Logic. The environment is not only capable of transforming MIDI but audio as well.

    Don't get me wrong. Probably you can do all this stuff with Nuendo or Cubase or Sonar or whatever, but the question is, are you gonna use all that stuff? Getting deep into the environment is a very time consuming process which can led you to a divorce [;)]
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    @DG said:

    As far as working with VEP I think it's painfully obvious from reading this forum which program has the most problems.

    DG

    Yep. This is sadly true. Logic and VEP 4 was an awesome team. With VEP 5 things are not that good. Relly lloking forward to an upcoming update

    VE Pro 5 only has problems when using the Audio/Event Input plugins in Logic. If you don't use them, the functionality is the same (actually better) than VE Pro 4, so there is no regression in functionality. To use the Audio/Event Input plugins as well, you'll need an I/O Utility plugin (with an output set and then bypassed) on both the Audio/Event Input tracks and the Server Interface track in Logic, which has the unfortunate consequence of processing all of these tracks on a single core (which is fine in a lot of circumstances, but not so nice in others). We're doing our best to get these new features working as well as is technically possible for the next update.
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    @DG said:

    I've heard this said before, but I don't know any specifics. If you have time, I'd be interested to know what you can do in the Environment that you can't do in other programs.

    DG

    First of all I'm not a Logic champion. If you read between lines in my other post, you could see that I wouldn't choose Logic today if I were a begginer, but I'm too old to make a transition now

    I don't know what other DAWs can do but nowadays they're pretty similar, so choosing one of another is just a matter of taste or (in my case) what I was recommended by friends.

    Back to previous versions of Logic, it was the only program to offer something like the environment, where you can tweak almost everything:

    From making your own librarian for external MIDI devices to making complete grooves with the press of a key, or create complex lines from a single melody, or also re-harmonize  a progression. The possibilities are endless. I've seen crazy environmets from electroacoustic composers that could do the most bizarre but still amazing things. I haven't seen any electroacoustic composer using anything else but Logic. The environment is not only capable of transforming MIDI but audio as well.

    Don't get me wrong. Probably you can do all this stuff with Nuendo or Cubase or Sonar or whatever, but the question is, are you gonna use all that stuff? Getting deep into the environment is a very time consuming process which can led you to a divorce

     

    Thanks for the reply. i was just curious, because I only know one person who uses a Logic Environment feature that is not available in Cubase. Of course there is a nifty workaround, but who wants workarounds. [;)]

    Regarding useless stuff in sequencers, I totally agree. Most of us only use a small fraction of a sequencer's capabilities. I know I do. However, even though I'm using features in Nuendo that Logic doesn't have, it doesn't mean that I'm totally happy. There are things that I feel I need, but I'm sure would not be much requested by any other user, so I doubt that I'd ever get them. I'm sure that all development teams go through this though, and have to make decisions that only affect a portion of users. I guess the important thing for them is the number of users that are affected.

    DG
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    @DG said:

     i was just curious, because I only know one person who uses a Logic Environment feature that is not available in Cubase. Of course there is a nifty workaround, but who wants workarounds.

    I know quite well the Environment, if you want I send you screen copies give me your email
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    @Another User said:

    Thankx for the reply.

    You're welcome [:)]
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    By the way anyone know how to get the Cubase Quantize menu to keep the groove / custom quantize presets with the project instead of saving them globally with the app? That's really driving me crazy... ;) lol