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  • I don't get it... VEP5 and Logic = Silence

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    I seem to be missing something.  I have read the manual but don't seem to be doing this right.  After I assign track one to VEP and connect, then assign a new track with an Event Input to the connected instance, add the i/o plugin and bypass it at first I get sound but if I record some notes, or do anything all I get is silence and I have to go back to the original track with the VEP instance plugin to activate sound again.  The i/o plugin doesn't seem to have any effect on this.  

    What am I doing wrong?   Mac Pro, 10.6.8, Logic 9.1.5 64bit.

    Thanks

    Chris
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    Something similar here.

    Insert an instance of VE5 in logic, assign it to my Slave and plays/record fine.

    Then, insert Event Input in a new track and assign it 2 channel to the same slave /instance and the disaster begins... no midi info goes to Slave instance, ONLY SOUND WHEN PLAYBACK OR RECORD!

    I've built 3 new different templates and always the same bug!

    Please, help!

    Here's a screencast of the problem:

    Link
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    This looks to me like Logic working as it is designed to work, but then again I'm no expert on Logic. Doesn't it have some feature where it turns things off if it thinks they aren't doing anything? What happens if you put the event input tracks in Live mode, or leave them record enabled whilst you noodle around?

    DG
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    Very strange to me. I've been working with logic an VE4 for a long time and never had this kind of problem. Seems like Logic dont send the midi info to VE5, or Ve5 is no capable to receive that info. I'll try with a Nuendo demo, but, it isn't a solution.

    It seems more a problem with Vienna Event input as the track has VE5 instance ever works.
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    OOOOOK!

    Non-manual-reader sindrome... pag 33 on the manual.

    Thanks.

    Still doesn't work. More than 4 days with this awesome software and I can't work.

    PLEASE! I need help, I can't find the solution. I've inserted I/o plugin in the multitimbral track with Event Input plugin but the same problem. 
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    Is Logic+VEP5 working fine otherwise, without using the Input plugins? It's the main reason I'm holding before upgrading here. I've seen the screencast on YouTube and it's indeed very strange.

    When I think of it, the symptom is quite similar to my issue with some repetition matrices (MIDI events are clearly being sent, but no sound).
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    The track with VE5 insert is ever working, but not the Event Input One. Yo have to re-activate it by playing in the track that has the plugin (Event Input)...

    Very strange and frustrating...
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    It does work fine if you use it like VEP4 but as was mentioned above if you use the input plugin you have to keep going back to the connect track to reactivity it by playing something.  Using the I/o plugin actually made no difference at all.  I can't see how this made it past testing.  

    Chris
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    I think it could be any evil  combination of versions in our Mac Pros, or any setup in Logic, but I can't see the problem... and  I'm not a novice in VE, Logic...
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    I am not sure you english is correct :) but I understand you.  The rally has nothing to do with hardware, it is just the software.  Perhaps the i/o plugin was what they though fixed this.  

    I use my Event Input track set to ALL instead of seperate channels, but that won't make a difference and it shouldn't.  My controller is decding the xmit channel, not Logic for the way I work.  Regardless the result is the same...no sound untill you reactivate the linked track by playing something.  I'll see if anything else works.

    Chris
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    This is due to the fact that Logic disables tracks unless its transport is playing. I'm not sure anything can be done about this.
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    I figured out one part that got it functioning.  You need to put the i/o plugin on the MAIN track, not the input event tracks, but you also have to assign an output to it (I picked out 3/4 but it doesn't matter), then bypass it.  This is what causes the i/o plugin to actually 'activate' and it keeps the stream running between VEP and the plugin.

    However, this introduced a new problem.  All is well as long as the transport ISN'T running.  Once you enter record or playback it is hit or miss if it picks up on what you are playing.  It also began to cause CPU spikes in Logic which I've never gotten before with VEP...fix one problem get another.  [:^)]

    EDIT:  Another pass and I didn't have any more spikes, but there sounds like a 'doubling' of the sound too (you can hear the phasing) during playback.  It isn't there when the transport isn't running.  All I did was record onto this one track.

    EDIT 2:  This new issue is only on the EVENT INPUT tracks.  Using the track with just the VEP plugin works as expected.
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    Ah, Ok let's write in Spanish! [:P] Me no problemo with Englih [H]

    I would like to see somebody of VSL staff in this post .. they are omnipresent in other threads.  This bug is so important to let pass it in beta testing.
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    @jaumepardalito said:

    I would like to see somebody of VSL staff in this post .. they are omnipresent in other threads.  This bug is so important to let pass it in beta testing.

     

    Just look two postings above. (Karel is our main developer for VE PRO 5)

    best

    Herb
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    Oh Herb, sorry, 

    I've missed his post. So, no solution I fear.[:^)] 

    How is it possible that is not commented officially? This is a spectacular piece of software and you guys are an incredible team, but I think the problem has to be comented before people decide to spend the money (Happily, in my case) in a software that have been bought to solve this problem... and finally remain with it.

    In this case I think VSL is not acting well... this is not a minor bug. In my situation is the same VE4 that VE5. I've been in Logic for a long time, but moving to Cubase was in mind because the VST3 ports in VE, and delayed it few months cause the midi multiport in AU, that now is "useless" in my computer (I don't know if there's anything wrong in my Logic /Mac setup)

    I've been a VSL fan from early years, but this is the first time that I'm really disappointed.

    Sorry to say this words.

    Edit 1: At this moment is running well.

    Edit 2: Not working properly. The event input tracks miss half the notes.

    Now, really sorry for my english. Makes me an idiot.
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    Did you see my reply above that had the solution for the i/o plugin?  Give that a shot and see how it performes on your setup.  

    I'll do whatever you guys want to help get to the bottom of this.  I will clarify that I amusing a dedicated network for VEP too so there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the setup, just strange behavior.

    Chris 
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    I've got Logic driving VE Pro 5 with notes ok but how do we automate? I've got the Event input on another Channel assigned to the VE instance but where on the VE server is "Learn" or "Assign" for either CCs or the "Vienne Ense Param" values in the Channel Automation?

    The manual is not clear on this; any chance of a walk through of the process? Or are we saying this is currently not working?

    I had multiple channel CC7 working on the VE channel without Event Input briefly before juddering chaos ensued. 

    Thanks

    Simon

    MBP 2.8GHz Core Duo 8GB, Logic 9.1.5
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    However, this introduced a new problem.  All is well as long as the transport ISN'T running.  Once you enter record or playback it is hit or miss if it picks up on what you are playing.  It also began to cause CPU spikes in Logic which I've never gotten before with VEP...fix one problem get another.  

    EDIT:  Another pass and I didn't have any more spikes, but there sounds like a 'doubling' of the sound too (you can hear the phasing) during playback.  It isn't there when the transport isn't running.  All I did was record onto this one track.

    EDIT 2:  This new issue is only on the EVENT INPUT tracks.  Using the track with just the VEP plugin works as expected.

    Hello Chris ,

    I haven't downloaded/installed VEP5 yet ,  so I'm speculating here , but this 'doubling'  effect &  the 'spikes' sound like a MIDI-Loop ,

    something that also occurs with Logic when using IAC-MIDI-Busses .

    So maybe the same issue occurs here too ?

    Best

    Gerd

    ( For those who are interested how to get rid of the MIDI-Loop issue when using IAC Busses with Logic I've described that a while ago

    in another forum : http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showpost.php?p=119935&postcount=3  )
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    Hi Gerd,

    I wish it were that simple.  The issue is much deeper than that and only pertains to the Event Input plugin.  

    Chris
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    I have the same problem here. can someone from VSL please post what exactly we have to do in Logic to get this running properly?