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@Pro-Arte said:
I don't understand why you are looking for violins #2 ,I use twice the same matrix violins in different midi canal, I have no problems with it ...Can someone tell me what is wrong in doing this ?
I use the Violin patch with everything tuned to 420, then I adjust the semitones to put the right placement for pitches on the keyboard. Then I use humanize to make it closer to the correct pitch on average. 420 doesn't quite do it (which I've suggested they allow more flexibility on).
With that, it sounds surprizingly pretty good. But despite a good sound, it's still 'the same' sound. This eliminates using the same recording for the same note, but one still deals with a not quite 'timbrally' different enough sound. It's a good cheat and it works enough to have the effect. But it's nothing compared to a Violin II section. Divisi will be great though. I use different string sections to add more humanized control right now, to give a more full sound, to bring out certain frequencies for different sized sections, and to spread the space better. To me, as good as a power-panned 14 violin section sounds, panning the chambers in there also gives it more shape, imo anyway. Divisi would only add to this ability. So by all means, I prefer full on Divisi strings to just a Violin II section- but even just the extra section, despite the jimmy-rigged ability now, would be far better to have for realism. Different instruments and players means different sound.
-Sean
You can still get phasing issues if you're not carefull, when manufacturing a Vln II. Then thing is, Violin II is not just different players, it's different fiddles too. Different instruments and bows. Even moving the microphones and recording everything again is not enough to create that 2nd section.
I think we are all agreeing really. If VSL come up with "Dimension Strings" or something similar, as a whole new product to swat off the competition, and if that included Vlns II then I, for one would happy. It's kinda what I was saying eralier - we need a new strings library, and it must have some basic features.
For me Vln II is one of those basic features. Divisi is another.
I am not aware of any library that has a genuine Vln II (please correct me anyone) including LASS. The Vln II in LASS is made by "cleverly EQ'ing the firsts to avoid phasing problems" from the manual (not verbatim). To me that is a weakness of LASS - the ensemble feels empty somehow. A strength of LASS is an immediacy of sound, a sense that there is a session in front of you. But this could well be because of the (slightly complicated-to-use) divisi feature. VSL, however, can sometimes get a little "wall of sound ish" if that makes sense. Both Orch and Apass strings get a bit "blocky" when you build up the arrangement. Don't get me wrong - LASS is inferior for sure, on balance. No question.
The best and most beautiful string library in my opinion is the Chamber Strings of VSL. Really precise progamming and bags of experience have gone into this library and it shows. It would be great to get this quality but perhaps at the scale of the (rather aging now) Ortchestral Strings library.
I hope VSL are reading this little thread....
Best
Ben
Hi All,
Well, there is a new advertisement up on the VSL site for Vienna Instruments Pro. I'm really looking forward to this!
best to everyone!
Steve[:D]
First, I LOVE the new VI Pro 2.0 video!! Plus the new picture previews look great! Yes, I must admit. I did zoom in on that sequencer picture to see as much as I could! [;)]
I would like to comment that I think there are VERY REASONABLE times when Christmas presents can be given early. This one is one of those times! lol
-Sean
Oh, and VSL... You guys just rock! Plain and simple!
@herb said:
Dear Forum Members,
I'm very happy to announce that Vienna Instruments PRO 2 is just around the corner! We've added a few very cool features, one of which you can watch and listen to in our new video:
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/65/71/1877/1528.vsl
It's all played live, no sequencers or notation programs have been used, just Vienna Instruments PRO 2 and Vienna Ensemble PRO.
Enjoy!
best
Herb
Hello ,
thanks for inventing, developing & improving all those wonderful and helpful tools .
Best wishes to you and the whole VSL Team
Gerd Kaeding
I must admit, I've been considering selling my VSL libs and VI Pro (even asked support about the 'rules' for doing so). I dunno now ... the new VI Pro might just make VSL the libraries "I think I need" again. I will certainly wait to make up my mind fully after VIP2.
*cough* would probably seal the deal for me if an epic Dimension Strings was announced .. with separate 2nd violins ... and divisi sections *cough*
I don't know about VE Pro, but VI Pro 2 is supposed to be a free upgrade from VI Pro 1.
Darren,
I doubt it. If someone bought VEP 5 months ago, or last month with a student discount... they are still paying to upgrade. So even though someone may buy VEP today, I would think they would as everyone will be paying the same in the end.
I think this concerns some people but I figure it this way.
DAW charges $100 for Version 5 and $100 for version 6 when it comes out. Paying $100 2 days before the new version comes out isn't fair as the company should have stopped selling the old version. So they offer the 30 days or something.
But VEP 5 is costing everyone to upgrade, including existing VEP 4 users. So where the new version couldn't have been purchased for the same price to begin with, offering a free upgrade doesn't seem likely. This is just how I view it anyway.
-Sean