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    That eases my mind. [:)] 2048 buffer is usualy enough in my sessions in protools, 4096 when the going gets tough. Worst case one can alway bump protools up to 8192 samples, but of course it would be nice to avoid this for the sake of playability.

    One more question, since you are so wonderfully forthcoming about the development:

    Previously you have exclusively recommended memory controllers in the X58 league, but have you done any tests or have any opinions regarding any of the dual memory interface options like the i7-based H67, P67 or Z68s? Will they struggle coping with the engine, and if so, do you think overclocking would make them able to handle the high throughput? Obviously the X79/LGA2011 platform will be a fantastic rig for running things like MIR if the rumored specs have any truth to them, but the Sandy Bridge-based platforms does offer quite a bit more value for money than enthusiast ones like the X58 and, very likely, X79s do.

    Any thoughts much appreciated. [H]
  • DietzD
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    Whew! I have to admit that I'm not the local hardware guru (I'm just an audio guy ;-) ...) To be honest we are developing on the same machines since quite some time now, and new hardware-tests won't take place before the software itself isn't feature-locked. But I will ask around, maybe our IT-guys can offer an educated opinion.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
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    DietzD

    BTW ... which flavour of ProTools offers more than 4096 samples of latency compensation?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Dietz said:

    BTW ... which flavour of ProTools offers more than 4096 samples of latency compensation?

     

    All flavours. It depends on the sample rate you're working at. However the actual amount of ADC allowed is still the same in ms, so it solves nothing.

    DG
  • DietzD
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    DietzD

    Ok, thanks, that's what I thought too, but Vagn Luv's message seems to imply that there are other possibilities I'm not aware of.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I hope MIR Pro development is taking into account Mac OS Lion's imminent release, as hopefully it does for all VSL software.
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    @Another User said:

     But what I don't understand:  with VE Pro I only have so many different VIs per instance... how will this be reflected in MIR pro?

    ... sorry for being dense, but I don't understand the question ...? 😕

    ...sorry, I kind of read over this... sorry what I meant was the following:

     when I open one instance of VEPro as a logic-plugin, I can only use 16 MIDI channels (or VIs) per instance. As this is a limitation caused by logic rather than VSL software I would be curious, how MIR PRO will deal with this limitation (as my current template includes around 60 instruments). Will I have to use multiple instances of MIR (as in VEpro) or will there be a possibility of extending channels like a multi-multi instrument.... 

    and then, will I be able as in VEPro to route the individual instrument output to a separate bus (I am not sure if I would want to do this, as in a way this seems against the primary MIR concept to me (another external mixing point)... but anyway, it would be interesting, if it would work)? 

    Greetings,

    Patrik
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    There will be a built-in solution especially for those poor souls who have to use Logic. [8-|] A workaround, of course, but it will work.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    those poor souls who have to use Logic.
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    I don't understand it either. Apple is always years ahead in design and architecture, how are they so far back with this AU limitation, especially when they do take themselves seriously in this industry (building programs like Logic, Soundtrack, and Final Cut PROs).
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    @Dietz said:

    There will be a built-in solution especially for those poor souls who have to use Logic. A workaround, of course, but it will work.

    This is really not an appropriate or polite statement from someone who works for VSL. Dietz, you usually try to deflect discussions away from platform wars and this comment shows a rather unfortunate bias. It also tells tells me that Mac/Logic users are possibly regarded as second-class citizens by VSL and even that development for Mac takes a reluctant second place in your priorities.

    Very unfortunate indeed.
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    Logic is so behind in some domaines, because they are years ahead in others (64 bit). Hopefully the new Logic X (slated for this summer) will give us lots of surprises!
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    @musos said:

    This is really not an appropriate or polite statement from someone who works for VSL.

    I'm pretty sure Dietz wasn't being completely serious with his comment. I think it's possible to find a bit of banter there.
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    For the record I also took Dietz's comment very lightheartedly (I still would even without the emoticon), in addition, if 80% or so of a company's customers are PC users of course they would take priority in some fashion or other. I'm happy enough that VSL video demos/tutorials are done on the Mac - you just can't beat the aesthetics, and I personally could not possibly work if I had to look at a Vista screen/buttons/architecture etc.

    Logic X? Where did you hear that? This summer? I wonder whether it will just be a little Lionized or actually include some real improvements...
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    @Dietz said:

    There will be a built-in solution especially for those poor souls who have to use Logic. A workaround, of course, but it will work.

    This is really not an appropriate or polite statement from someone who works for VSL. Dietz, you usually try to deflect discussions away from platform wars and this comment shows a rather unfortunate bias. It also tells tells me that Mac/Logic users are possibly regarded as second-class citizens by VSL and even that development for Mac takes a reluctant second place in your priorities.

    Very unfortunate indeed.

     

    You could also read it as VSL spending extra time specifically for Logic users on features that nobody else needs, thereby showing a greater commitment to OSX than Windows. [;)]

    DG
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    @Errikos said:

    .....and I personally could not possibly work if I had to look at a Vista screen/buttons/architecture etc.

     

     

    Luckily professionals using MIR use Windows 7. [:P]

    DG
  • DietzD
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    @Dietz said:

    There will be a built-in solution especially for those poor souls who have to use Logic. A workaround, of course, but it will work.

    This is really not an appropriate or polite statement from someone who works for VSL. Dietz, you usually try to deflect discussions away from platform wars and this comment shows a rather unfortunate bias. It also tells tells me that Mac/Logic users are possibly regarded as second-class citizens by VSL and even that development for Mac takes a reluctant second place in your priorities.

    Very unfortunate indeed.

    Sigh. Why can't my words be taken with a pinch of salt, especially when I give a positive answer and add a BIG FAT SMILEY ...

    So let me put it that way: Yes, we try to overcome the limitations of Logic once again on behalf of a tailor-made solution, developed escpecially for you.

    ... does this sound better now?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @DG said:

    Luckily professionals using MIR use Windows 7.

    DG

    There is no other solution as MIR, today, only work on PC ![:@]

    As VSL is developing MIR PRO to run on Mac it is a serious sign that there is money to do with Mac user and a lot of Mac user are refusing to work with PC

    VSL (Martin S) did an extra effort to re-wite loading routine, so now you can load using full speed of your I/O

    By the way,  did a comparison at and equal configuration before buying my Macpro 12 core, Mac is a little bit cheaper [:P]
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    I was at Paul's Mir Pro presentation in Montreal and I can tell that VSL have been working hard on a solution for Logic's AU limitation. The have a workaround. So they still care about Logic users.
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    @Dietz said:

    Sigh. Why can't my words be taken with a pinch of salt, especially when I give a positive answer and add a BIG FAT SMILEY ...

    So let me put it that way: Yes, we try to overcome the limitations of Logic once again on behalf of a tailor-made solution, developed escpecially for you.

    ... does this sound better now?

    That sounds much better than "poor souls" who use Logic.

    Your tailor-made solutions are always appreciated.

    That's more like the Dietz I've seen on these forums.....[Y]