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  • VSL Percussions with ControlPad

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    I just bought the Alesis ControlPad to trigger VSL Percussions.

    But the thing that that I was'nt aware is that it's impossible to ajust the notes lenghts from the controller itself. So the outputed notes are so short that Vienna Instruments is missing some (around 1 on 3) notes when recording. On the playback it's ok. It the same in Logic 9 and Pro Tools 9.

    I have found a fix but you need to run a midi utility to change the note lenght. You have to create a virtual midi bus with MidiPipe and add a minimum of 50ms duration to the output notes. 

    I have trie some solutions from Logic environment transformer to Realtime properties in Pro Tools. Nothing worked. 

    For a temporary fix it's ok. I wish a can adjust the lenght in the ControlPad but it's design as is and I don't like the pads from other companies like roland SPD-x (too small and comes with internal sounds).

    What I don't quite understand is why do I have this problem with VIPro and VEPro and not with BFD and Ultrabeat. Some people says they have this problem with Stylus RMX too.

    Is it  possible to check this out for a futur release of VSL software. I know it's more a problem with the Alesis controller but it seems that it can be fixed on your side and not their. If BFD is more reponsive to really short notes then why VIPro would'nt be.

    Anybody had this problem before?

    Thanks

    Fred
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     Hi Fred,

    sorry to say that I have cero experience withControlPad stuff. I just wonder, isn't it generally a Sequenzer related setting issue, how incoming mididatas are interpreted or even recorded before they are sent to any VI?

    best

    Herb
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    From what I've heard on other forum, it's the same in every sequencer (some where with Ableton, Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic). Maybe There is a setting for the incoming midi data input in some sequencer but I doubt. Like I said, it work fine with BFD but not with VIPro. So I doubt it's sequencer related. It means that some virtual instruments doesnt respond the same way than others to midi notes inputs.BTW I'm not considering this as a bug.

    Anyway, I can live with it. It's just that I need to run midipipe to modify the incoming midi data. I just found relevant to spot this problem for VSL and other user's knowledge

    fred
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    F

    Hi Fred

    Same experience here. With Toontrack Suporior 2 and even other drum libraries within Kontakt, no prioblems at all. But with Storm Drum 2 from East West and other percussion libraries in Kontakt the response of those short notes are really bad :-(

    I also run MidiPipe to solve this. Works fine for me now. I also thought about the Roland Pads but I don't need external sound samples either.

    There is a new Percussion Pad comming out from Alesis for 99 Euros. But it has onlly 4 pads (bigger ones) and I'm courios if Alesis learned about the Control Pad and changed the note length. Maybe it's worth to try out.

    Greets Frank
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    civilization 3C

    BFD libraries only require a note on, and what my zendrum outputs is a pretty small tick; there is nothing to be obtained by a longer duration in any BFD library in my experience.

    VSL percussion libaries are just designed differently as per the layering I guess, and many things require a fuller duration to get the whole effect of what's recorded. Just a fact of life. I would think of it as a feature not a bug, as they say.
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    In Cubase the Logical Editor can address this easily, I would think there is something in Logic that does the same thing.
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    F

    Very interesting...

    Sadly there is no thing in Logic (for my little understanding) that anable longer note length during LIVE-playing.

    I have here with Logic the same behavior, that many people have. My drumpads generates the shortest possible notelength (0:0:0:001). 
    I have also Toontrack Superior, SD2 and some things in Kontakt. All at there latest versions.

    The Toontrack things playing perfectly in live mode in recordings and in playback.

    SD2 has played perfectly long time ago. The ATTACK could be set 0,0 msec. I dont know when they do it, but since undef. time this was fixed to 50msec. (They will bring back this with the next update :-) )

    The VSL things are played back perfect, but for recording or live-playing it is not usable.

    I have tested this today again, all 3 as a plugin, with the exact same environment. So, i guess it is a thing of programming

    It would be realy realy nice to play all felt or percussion instruments live with a drumpad.

    Best regards
    Frank 
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    @fbuerger_11592 said:

    It would be realy realy nice to play all felt or percussion instruments live with a drumpad.

    The workaround with Midipipe works nicely.

    Fred
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    Thank you Fred,

    i will try this out, if i had time for it. 

    But i like the idea, to do solutions at there root, and not to fiddle around with tools. :-) Why not playing drums like drums, without additional tools when it could be possible? :-)

    Thank you very much
    Frank 
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    Totally agree with you Frank

    Fred