Autoloading instruments in VE and Sibelius

[Xiaoxi Wan]

Hi all,

I'm new to VSL but I'm ecstatic to see it working well with Sibelius 6. However, is there a way for Sibelius to automatically communicate to VE to load up the correct instrument patches and matrix? I read the PDF's in the user area regarding setting up VE to work with Sibelius, and says to manually load up the instruments (so then what's the purpose of setting up manual sound sets in Sibelius?). But after I manually load them up and save the configuration in Sibelius, this becomes the default load up for Sibelius.

So if I configured 4 instances of VE (wind, brass, perc, strings) to load an orchestra's worth of instruments and that is the default, this becomes very taxing on the computer and unnecessary when I want to work on another piece that has maybe only one or two instruments. And there doesn't seem to be a way to quit these instances either after load up. Is there a way to make it so that Sibelius determines how many/which instance of VE to use and load up only the necessary instruments while clearing everything else like it would with its stock engine? Or any workaround besides manually reconfiguring VE's for each project?

[andi]

Hello Xiaoxi Wan!

In Sibelius you have different options of which Playback Configuration should be loaded at startup or when loading a score. This can be set in the Preferences/Playback menu.

Best regards,
Andi

[OktoberStorm]

So there's no auto-loading of instruments?

[andi]

Hello OktoberStorm!

No, there is no auto-loading of instruments with Sibelius and VSL.

Best regards

[EP]

Hi Andy,

I have requested the feature a while ago.   Is there a plan to implement this?   I have invested a fair amount of money in VSL but found myself using other Kontakt-based libraries because it is a lot more convenient to have the presets automatically loaded from Sibelius.   I would love to be able to assign an ID to a preset and have Sibelius automatically loads the preset into a VE Pro instance.

Thanks.

Ernest

[SJSF]

EP, I run VE as a standalone with my entire library loaded. I have LoopBe30 (Well worth the cheap $$) which routes the midi to Cubase.

Could you not just do something like that? Obviously RAM may be an issue, I don't know your setup. I have 20GB of ram and I load most of what I can, so it's always just there and ready to perform. I don't know if it would entirely work with Sibelius, but it's a thought. [;)]

-Sean

P.S. you should check out the Sibelius 7 thread, we suggested features like 'automatic loading of patches' based on what Sibelius does. We've also been talking about some of that in a 'VSL DAW Anyone?' thread under the Vienna Ensemble forum. Just a friendly fyi.

[EP]

Hi Sean, 

Thanks for the information.   I have 16G on my laptop and I have SE+ (full), Woodwind I (full), Brass I (full), Dim Brass and Piano.   I don't know if I have enough memory to load all the instruments.   I will give it a try.   Since VSL is 64 bit and is running in a separate process so I don't have any problem with loading more than 4G (or 3G) from Sibelius.   However, Sibelius already can automatically loads presets for the Kontakt libraries based on the instruments in your score.   So I think VSL should be able make it work the same way.   Using manual soundsets and building the MIDI channel maps are not intuitive and time consuming.   This feature is similar to what you suggested in the other thread and Sibelius can already do it with Kontakt.   It just makes those Kontakt based libraries so much easier to use with Sibelius.  

[SJSF]

@EP said:

Using manual soundsets and building the MIDI channel maps are not intuitive and time consuming.   This feature is similar to what you suggested in the other thread and Sibelius can already do it with Kontakt.   It just makes those Kontakt based libraries so much easier to use with Sibelius. 

Well I couldn't agree more! lol This has been half the 'battle' for me on these threads.

1) I've been pushing for more automatic integration as I'd rather spend time composing than making it work. Many argue 'use VSL's presets', but that's counter-intuitive as the matrices were made for a reason. I want to build a flexible instrument utilising all of VI Pro's features... I can't do that AND make things work with Sibelius without utterly tidious amounts of work. Heaven forbid I make changes to my template after doing all that. It would be a nightmare, so I don't even bother. And that's the problem. I want notation, so it should be more compatible.

2) We've been pushing for more integration in playback, and thus the VSL-DAW idea. Not that VSL really needs to make a DAW, but that better integration could offer features like playback recognition of certain notation techniques. Sibelius and midi data are deadly enemies (where notion succeeded, but now notion is dead, so what to do?) - If I put two half-notes in sibelius that are tied, and the second note is played tremolo, then VSL could automatically cross fade for you. A notation program with such integration would save a lot of time in the composing process. Fine tune it later in a sequencer if you want, but at least let me compose it and have things work automatically to what I do notation-wise. - That's the mentality.

In the end, any amount of work that can be done in this regard, SHOULD BE DONE!!! It would save lots of people lots of time. [:)]

-Sean