Creating different depths with the Vienna Convolution Reverb

[mushanga]

Hi guys,

I'm routing all tracks to a bus with a Vienna Convolution Reverb instance with one of their standard orchestral hall presets loaded. I hear a lot in other VI forums of people talking about ER (early responses) and RT (reverb tails)..I've only ever loaded up a RT in a convo reverb and never knew you could adjust the early response time? Does the Vienna convo allow the separation and manipulation of such elements when applying reverb? If so, does anyone using it have any advice/techniques they could give me on getting it to sound good? In a convolution reverb such as Altiverb you can physically set different depths for separating strings, brass, woodwinds and so on. How can this be done in the Vienna Convolution Reverb?

Thanks in advance!

[Beat Kaufmann]

@orchestranova said:

... I'm routing all tracks to a bus with a Vienna Convolution Reverb instance with one of their standard orchestral hall presets loaded....

Hi Orchestranova

Open a bus more or two for creating more different dephts.

Draw a layout of your virtual stage and try to reach it acoustically.

 Beat

[mushanga]

@orchestranova said:

... I'm routing all tracks to a bus with a Vienna Convolution Reverb instance with one of their standard orchestral hall presets loaded....

Hi Orchestranova

Open a bus more or two for creating more different dephts.

Draw a layout of your virtual stage and try to reach it acoustically.

 Beat

Thanks for your message, Beat. How would you achieve depth by using this method? By simply having different reverbs set at more or less wet/dry signal? How about layering reverbs? Should I play around with the early signal? How can this be done in the Vienna Convo Reverb?

Thanks

[Beat Kaufmann]

Hello Orchestranova

I've just sent you a mail with some more information.

The meaning is, that you take the postion of a listener in the concert hall.

So the strings are playing closer to the listener than the woodwinds and even farther away we have the percussion and the brass instruments.

One possibility is: Collect all strings within a bus, all woodwinds within another one (group channel) and all brass instruments in a third one.

"Spend" each bus a reverb and try with different ratios dry/wet to simulate different depths. (the wet the farther)

Play also with the predelay for enhancing "close/far" ...

and if you have the Suite Effects with the parameter "Decorrelation" (farther instruments > 1%, closer instruments 0%)

These adjustments should be done with monitors and not with headphones.

Tip: You can enhance the feeling of deeper depths by cutting the high frequencies a bit (the farther the more cut)

Use the monitors as well.

Here is a nice example with different depths:

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/demos/index.php

 "BK Symphinic Rag" (bottom of the play list)

A lot of success and

all the best

Beat

[mushanga]

@Beat Kaufmann said:

"Spend" each bus a reverb and try with different ratios dry/wet to simulate different depths. (the wet the farther)

Beat - would you recommend sending each group track to their respective reverb via pre-send or post? If I send it pre then I can use the fader in my DAW mixer as a dry/wet controller. I would then need to mute the dry signal within the reverb itself, am I correct?

If anyone else has some advice to offer then please feel free to chime in!

Thanks

[Beat Kaufmann]

Hi Orchestranova

I made good exeperiences by creating a BUS-Channel (Logic) or a GROUP-Channel (Cubase) for each depth.

These Group-Channels contain all effects which are necessary for creating a "real" depth.

Possibile solution for each depth-channel:

1. EQ for cutting the high frequencies (and Low- Frequencies?) > the farther the more you need to cut them >> try to find a natural cutting frequency by listening to the monitors

2. Reverb/Convolution Reverb for producing a Depth with some Reverb

    use the parameters "dry/wet", "predelay",  "Decorrelation", the "Convolution EQ" and the "volume curve" for creating such depths

3. Finally, insert perhaps a Compressor, an Exciter, a Limiter or other final effects in these "depth-channels"

The meaning is now, that you route all the instruments though the corresponding depth-channel (not with the send-function).

(see the Routing Diagram within this PDF: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/downloads/createc_vienna_suite_presets.pdf)

I wish all the best

Beat

[mushanga]

Hi Beat - thanks for your message.

How is this done in Pro Tools? Is it the same as Logic? Do I need to re-assign each Vienna Instrument channel's output to the BUS channel?

[Beat Kaufmann]

@orchestranova said:

Hi Beat - thanks for your message.

How is this done in Pro Tools? Is it the same as Logic? Do I need to re-assign each Vienna Instrument channel's output to the BUS channel?

The diagram in the upper pdf is a general (graphic)  one. So you need to reproduce it with your DAW.

I don't know how to do it in Pro Tools, sorry.

But I have a picture of the Logic-Mixer where you can make out the routings etc.

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/suite-presets/index.php  >> Sidebar on the right > upper image.

Click on it. Maybe it doesn't get its final original size. Once when the picture is enlarged you can save it to your Computer.

Hope that helps

Beat