Hi there - I need to find a reverb that sounds as good as Altiverb. Mostly to warm up Vienna Strings and Horns.
Altiverb is causing clicks and pops on my system (as its still 32 bit) so I need to find an alternative.
I'm considering Vienna MIR SE, but from the looks of things, it requires an expensive super computer and a degree as an IT technician to get it to work.
I simply need to have my orchestral mixes sound as good as they would in Altiverb.
Here are my system specs.. is there any chance of MIR running with this? I don't need a complex setup - just want my mixes to have the same depth as they do when using Altiverb.
Thanks!
SONAR 8.5.3 PE (x64)
WINDOWS 7 Pro (64bit)
Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9300 2.49 GHZ
EMU 1616m
8 GB Of RAM
ATI RADEON HD 4650 w/ dual monitors
Vienna Ensemble Pro VST
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Can I get Vienna MIR SE to work on this system?
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I have a very similar configuration and also Mir. For smaller ensembles, it should be alright. But late romantic orchestra will likely not work. Ram needs depend also on the room loaded into Mir. If you can work with optimize you will get quite some work done. Quality is much better then Altiverb. Operation of Mir is really easy once you have figured out the midi/audio routing to your sequencer.
Consider a slight overclocking and increased latency.
Check your graphic card (is it fit for Mir?)
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Hi Passenger,
All information Veetguitar offered above is right. The main problems with your system will be CPU speed and RAM size if you really plan to go the MIR route.
But if you are "just" looking for an alternative to AltiVerb, then MIR is not the right choice, as it is meant to be much, much more than simply "another reverb". MIR suggests a completely new approach of mixing and arranging music in virtual spaces. This may or may not be what you're after.
Have you ever though about Vienna Suite? Part of this plugin bundle is the acclaimed Vienna Convolution Reverb. It is aimed at mixing audio the "conventional" way, like you would do other convolution plugins, too. -> [URL]http://vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/1673/115.htm[/URL]
There are literally hundreds of tailor made IR sets available for Vienna Convolution Reverb, offered by VSL as well as by third-party developers:
-> [URL]http://vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/313/1388.htm[/URL]
-> [URL]http://vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/311/181.htm [/URL]
-> [URL]http://vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/312/242.htm[/URL]
Kind regards,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Does Vienna Convolution Reverb have mic positions? This is one of the features I like in Altiverb that give the orchestra more depth such as woodwinds in the back, strings up front. I need a dynamic warm low end in my orchstrations
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Personally, I think that using different _microphone_positions from the same room is pretty counter-productive. You would need different _source_positions (recorded from the same microphone position) to mimic the depth of a room and/or a stage properly.
Vienna Convolution Reverb's IRs offers some near/far pairs, but of course you can't achieve the same sense of spaciousness from two or four IRs as you would with the hundreds (or even thousands) of Multi Impulse Response- (aka: MIR)-sets recorded from a single room.
BTW - Vienna Suite is available for a feature-unrestricted demo period of 30 days! Just try it.
HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Thanks I'll check out Vienna Suite. I recently scored a film with Altiverb and the depth and range of its impulses blew away my old reverbs. It sounded phenomenal! The only issue I had was clicks and pops which is due to it still being 32 bit, and I can't have that sort of issue with my tight deadlines, WAY too stressful when delivering my scores to post houses. So I need something more solid and reliable. But what a tease - how can I go back to my boring old reverbs? A major limitation of MIR for me(aside from having to purchase a super expensive computer) seems to be that you have to have ALL the VST's and instruments on host computer which is impossible for me. I use Vienna Ensemble Pro to host all my VSTs on other computers. That alone would take up 16GB of RAM not to mention valuable processing power I need for my host computer to run my DAW properly. Maybe MIR is too much a head of its time as was Gigastudio when it came out. If however there was away to have MIR run on a dedicated computer with VST's on other computers - that would be a better option and more affordable. BUT if its possible to render audio first and THEN utilize MIR (thus eliminating having active VSTs) that's seems doable.
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- Clicks and pops have nothing to do with Altiverb being a 32bit program. There is something else going on here.
- MIR Pro will deliver what you want. However, you'll have to wait a couple/three/foru..... months.
BTW it is sort of possible to play audio in MIR< but with a tight deadline I doubt that you'd want to go this route, particularly as it would require rendering each track separately. [:(]
DG
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"Clicks and pops have nothing to do with Altiverb being a 32bit program. There is something else going on here." I certainly cannot rule out that it has something to do with running 32bit Sonar on a 64bit system. At any rate, I don't have time to figure it out with my deadlines looming all the time. Very much looking forward to MIR Pro in the future updates. Very exciting technology. As for rendering audio - I already render my instruments as 16 separate stereo tracks.. some are brass ensembles, strings, etc. I wonder if I could use MIR to give each section its own place on a virtual sound stage?
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@passenger57 said:
[...] I wonder if I could use MIR to give each section its own place on a virtual sound stage?Yes, of course - that's what it's made for! 😊 ... but MIR relies on hundreds of IRs from a single stage to achieve this, so the system requirements are higher than with one or two conventional convolution reverbs.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
If I can use MIR (AND) have my vsts instruments on separate slave computers, that would be ideal. Can't do it all on the same computer - too many VSTs
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That's not the problem - MIR will do everything that VEPro does, with one MAJOR exception: It doesn't offer LAN support. You would have to route back MIR's mix to your main DAW via (digital or analog) audio lines.
For details, please see Section D of the MIR Manual: "Entering the MIR Orbit: Integration and Optimization of Vienna MIR in Your Daily Work", starting on page 71.
HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Thats unfortunate. I've become very spoiled by Vienna Ensemble Pro's ease of use. Just plug it in and it works. Simple.
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One question for Dietz :
Why cant we have separate stereo outputs for instruments?
Wouldnt that be easy to implement? If I had -say - 10 stereo outputs in Mir, I would be able to render 10 instruments at the same time routing them back to Cuase, then the next ten....
At least for me this would be a perfect work-around until I purchase a new machine somewere next year.
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I completely understand what you're after, but Vienna MIR is pretty much locked in its routing possibilities to what we have now, due to the underlying architecture. ... after all, a "One Stop Mixing Solution" for virtual orchestral music was the main goal of this application.
That said, rest assured that we will try to make MIR Pro as flexible as possible. ;-)
Kind regards & thanks for your input,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
passenger57,
While I do not recall exact specifics, there have been known issues when trying to use Altiverb with Sonar. Pops and clicks were very common when trying to use Altiverb within Sonar. As a Sonar user, when starting to research high end reverbs, it became clear that Altiverb was not going to be a viable option for me, given the reported problems. Worse, at the time (well over a year ago IIRC), the various parties involved indicated that no fix would be forthcoming. Perhaps that has now changed.
If you have the time, it might be worth contacting Altiverb to see if the situation has been resolved/fixed.
