Hi doubleattack, the room emulation of WIVI is in my opinion not comparable to MIR. Moreover, if I want all the instruments to be convincing in the same room, I think I should play with dry and wet parameters in MIR.

The workaround works even for me. I noticed that the not fully loaded kontakt instances are almost a "feature" of kontakt. They load only the samples that are played by the project, the other are put off to sleep. When you play a note for the first time, it will be loaded by the instance and the second time it will be played; this is a way to save RAM, but I'd like to have the choice to use that or not. 

OK, just got the "could not load" again. I guess it means that I have to take Kontakt out of MIR. Which sort of defeats the point. Back to VE Pro? [:(]

DG

Daryl, have you read this thread? -> [URL]http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/26985.aspx[/URL]

Would be interesting to know if this is the problem in your case, too.

I don't have any Kontakt player installed. Only Kontakt.

DG

 DG, try to use a dummy vsl or vsl pro instance at least. This works for me.

Kontakt player is the free Version of Kontakt (with Kontakt player you can't use the script features).

Do you mean with Kontakt player the Kontakt library?

@doubleattack said:

 DG, try to use a dummy vsl or vsl pro instance at least. This works for me.

Kontakt player is the free Version of Kontakt (with Kontakt player you can't use the script features).

Do you mean with Kontakt player the Kontakt library?

    

I tried that, and thought that it fixed the problem. However, it is back.

I only use Kontakt. I never installed any of the free Kontakt players.

DG

Does it mean, the instance before the dummy instance will not be loaded???

No, whatever I do it's always the last Kontakt instance in the project that doesn't load. I'm going to try putting a "protected library" instance at the end of the project today, rather than an empty one, to see if I can get it to screw that one up, and leave the rest alone...!

DG

 Ok, keep the results posting, much appreciated.

Maybe "protected library" was a bit bewilderingly, it means in fact 3part library of Kontakt beside the Kontakt library. So sorry for my inaccuracy. Would be interesting weather do you have 3part librarys of Kontakt - cause they are protected in the "Service Center" of NI instruments and if you are sure they all are in 64 bit. Cause I realised that "ethno world 4" which I own was definitely 32 bit - and I didn't know this before, cause it was shown (and works!) inside Kontakt 4 (64bit), but causes that I get into troubles with saving MIR projects probably. 

Thanks for reply.

Frank

On the Mac, there is a load order sequence whereby PLAY must be loaded first in sequential order, followed by Kontakt. Could this be a similar situation here whereby load all vsl first followed by kontakt?

Peter, that is to do with conflicting memory servers, due to the fact that OSX is rather late to the game with 64bit. In Windows there are no memory servers, because Kontakt and PLAY are both 64bit, so it should make no difference.

DG

I'm doing a very large orchestral template now, with 20+ kontakt instances.
I left one VSL instrument at 6th place the firsts 5 kontakt instruments. I think that there's a problem in that particular position.
No problems for now. Every instance I add I save a MIR project with incremental save (now I'm to 39 saved). I don't fully load every instance with articulations, just one or two per instance.
Incremental saving let's me to revert back to the previous saves, and every 1-2 saves I close MIR and reopen and see if it opens the project. Every 10 saves I reboot my PC and see if MIR opens.
If there's a problem, for me, it's not related by kontakt itself, but with generic 3rd party plugins. And in my opinion, it's totally non-related to protected or unprotected libraries and even less to 32 bit or 64 bit libraries (since you load the samples and the original kompakt player is totally absent in this workflow).

I' m fairly happy for now but I'm very very cautious about everything I do, in MIR. Like walking on a mine camp :-) (sometimes it crashes at loading the project, but I insist, and it opens)

This thread should be renamed to:
Problems with Kontakt 4 and MIR? There may be not an easy solution! But it's worth it! :-) 

Problems even with 3rd party plugins in the 16th position... let's put a VSL instrument there... And put the kontakt plugin in the 17th place.

Are we finding a solution? :-) 

Nice - and funny too! - to read all the different experiences and assumptions. Ok, maybe it get's a bit  esoteric - included myself.  [:D]

But normal, we are artists, right?

So, to say some practically - a new Kontakt update is available (4.1.3.). NI technic support gave me the hint. Does it mean good news?

Didn't try out it yet, later the day I will giving a feedback about.

Thanks Paoling for reply - very interesting. The work arounds are good and I feel the "purge feature" in the same way. 

Have noticed too in vi-control forum your MIR example for positioning and room was the most convincing. (Did not really be surprising for me.) Anyway, very interesting comparison. When MIR pro (with the possibilty using of audio tracks) starts to release, they all will switching to it, sooner or later. - Ok, a new allegation, but it seems not to be so esoteric, doesn't it?

Then Dietz should get the Nobel Prize for Peace for the idea of MIR, cause the rowings between composers and engineers are a shady past.

Kind regards

Frank

May I ask you out for a drink or two ...?  [D][D]

;-)

Another "could not load plugin" problem at the 20th place in MIR instrument list.

Ok. I have problems in loading kontakt plugins at 6th, 16th and 20th place in the instrument list; I don't know if moving instruments is going to  solve this. I load a vienna instrument instance in that place and everything works fine :-)

Anyone can confirm this issue? In my opinion it's a very strange although simple bug.

Paolo 

 The places (6, 16, 20) I can't confirm. I can confirm that a lot of vi pro instances (or more vi pro than kontakt instances) help to mostly avoid this message  a n d  the crashs on save.

I can recieve the undesirable massage with only 4 kontakt instances in a template too.

Today, a failed load of a MIR SE instance, showed me that MIR is in reality a kind of visual interface + reverb and positioning system of a Vienna Ensemble Pro program. 
I could not do something more than what I do in MIR, because busses are disabled, but it showed me all my MIR tracks in a VEPRO, with all the plugins loaded.