Paoling, as Karel say, they can't reproduce it. So I assumed it depends of using system and potentially the used Librarys in Kontakt.

So can you give a message what system do you use and which Librarys of Kontakt? (btw I use LASS, BBB, Abbey Road 60 Drums, Kontakt Lib itself and westgate studios ww, which is unprotected)

@ DG, I want ask you, do you have also crashs on save or only the "could not load plugin" message-box? Cause your motherbord was different than my, so maybe there lies some reason. And did you experienced, that protected Library was double loaded? (That means, you can see the Kontakt loading-window two times loading the same samples - the template looks normal thereafter, except that some instances was not fully loaded and you have to purge and reload all samples.)

@paoling

I don't want to give up to work with MIR. (and paoling I don't think you will really stop to work with it, do you? I noticed your excited report about MIR in vi-control forum). The mixing result and the handling of mixing is saving so much time for me, so the profit is much higher than the costs. I'm very forbearing. Maybe cause I didn't grow up with computers. Maybe cause I'd  been working for 15 years on Atari with Notator SL. And with this ludicrously "computer" sometimes you got problems - with dongle=protection systems. (But in this times it was a mechanical issue.) Times have changed completly. The complexity increases every day. And the idea of decompose the real world and recompose a new one is a renaissance of the idea of baroque, but with nouveau astronomical possibilitys and dimensions - they are not to get for free. So ceep calm. Time is made to unveil. Let's have a look carefully on the details. 

Kind regards

Frank   

Well.. In the vi-control forum there's a user who posted some Altiverb examples that, in my opinon, were fully comparable to my MIR tests. I know that MIR it's a saving solution to mix and so; but how can I realiably work if it won't open my last plugins? For me it's not a matter of protected of non protected libraries, since MIR gives problems even with WIVI. About my problems with WIVI Dietz told me that he don't have WIVI so he couldn't help me. But I think that when there's a problem with two softwares, both the developers should work together in order to let their software function properly.
Since this is a common problem and we proved it a bit, we need a solution for that. 

And, sincerely, MIR and its little brother MIR SE are not given to us for FREE and since I'm planning to work with this software, I need a solution. Old times of Atari and trackers are gone, fortunately, but this is not a reason not to get what we paid for.

I'm currently using Kontakt sounds, with some Tonehammer libraries, some older libraries, old EWQLSO wet samples, and I'm planning to buy LASS.. But in my opinion it doesn't depends by unprotected or protected libraries; since the plugin won't load before trying to load samples. And I have the same problem with WIVI.

Paoling,

rest assured that we are aware of the issue. Please understand that it is not easy to fix a problem that most likely is a result of _several_ factors playing together in a unique way, especially as we were not able to reproduce it here until now.

Thanks for your patience.

PS:

@Another User said:

In the vi-control forum there's a user who posted some Altiverb examples that, in my opinon, were fully comparable to my MIR tests.

No doubt about that. AltiVerb is a great plugin - for single reverbs. For comparison: Stills from a movie will always look the same as a photograph - but I think we agree upon the fact that a movie is more than just one still (or two) 😉

Kind regards,

 OK, prepare for the drum roll. For the last 2 days I've not had a single "Unable to load plugin" message. My "fix":

Create an empty Kontakt instance at the end of the project. Done.

DG

Hi all,

thanks for the replies. I want to try again the thinks to put in order.

The solution for the "could not load plugin" message was known before - so sorry DG, this drum roll was to late.[;)]

I assumed the issue has to do with protection systems. To be clear - only the odd behavior of some (protected) Kontakt-librarys - they will double loaded on every reloaded MIR projekt was giving a hint to this assumption. It doesn't happen so with unprotected libs.

The double loading increases the load time only - so it is not really a big problem. 

But it   c o u l d   to be responsible for the issue, that some instances will not be fully loaded. (Solution is purge and reload.) 

The underlying issue are the crashs on save of reloaded MIR projekts.

Could be too, that one thing has nothing to do with others. 

It seems the issues depends of used system.

So my question for Dietz and/or Karel: Do you try to reproduce the issues on different systems?

As I wrote some time ago, in Cubase on same system I don't experience none of this issues.

So, my vsl-certified workstation should has been not the wrong way to go for MIR.

@paoling

Don't have WIVI Instruments there own positioning/room-software? I don't own WIVI, but I remember on there web-side was a

special interface. So I don't know, maybe it is better with WIVI than to go this way...Thanks for your reply again.

Kind regards

Frank

The reason I call it a solution, is that so far I don't have to do anything else,apart from the dummy instance of Kontakt. I have VI Pro and Kontakt 4.1 in the project and all plugins and samples are loaded correctly every time.

FWIW I currently have 116 Instruments in this template.

DG

 Yes, the size of a template makes no difference. Btw, I can use for the dummy instance everything else.

Hi doubleattack, the room emulation of WIVI is in my opinion not comparable to MIR. Moreover, if I want all the instruments to be convincing in the same room, I think I should play with dry and wet parameters in MIR.

The workaround works even for me. I noticed that the not fully loaded kontakt instances are almost a "feature" of kontakt. They load only the samples that are played by the project, the other are put off to sleep. When you play a note for the first time, it will be loaded by the instance and the second time it will be played; this is a way to save RAM, but I'd like to have the choice to use that or not. 

OK, just got the "could not load" again. I guess it means that I have to take Kontakt out of MIR. Which sort of defeats the point. Back to VE Pro? [:(]

DG

Daryl, have you read this thread? -> [URL]http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/26985.aspx[/URL]

Would be interesting to know if this is the problem in your case, too.

I don't have any Kontakt player installed. Only Kontakt.

DG

 DG, try to use a dummy vsl or vsl pro instance at least. This works for me.

Kontakt player is the free Version of Kontakt (with Kontakt player you can't use the script features).

Do you mean with Kontakt player the Kontakt library?

@doubleattack said:

 DG, try to use a dummy vsl or vsl pro instance at least. This works for me.

Kontakt player is the free Version of Kontakt (with Kontakt player you can't use the script features).

Do you mean with Kontakt player the Kontakt library?

    

I tried that, and thought that it fixed the problem. However, it is back.

I only use Kontakt. I never installed any of the free Kontakt players.

DG

Does it mean, the instance before the dummy instance will not be loaded???

No, whatever I do it's always the last Kontakt instance in the project that doesn't load. I'm going to try putting a "protected library" instance at the end of the project today, rather than an empty one, to see if I can get it to screw that one up, and leave the rest alone...!

DG

 Ok, keep the results posting, much appreciated.

Maybe "protected library" was a bit bewilderingly, it means in fact 3part library of Kontakt beside the Kontakt library. So sorry for my inaccuracy. Would be interesting weather do you have 3part librarys of Kontakt - cause they are protected in the "Service Center" of NI instruments and if you are sure they all are in 64 bit. Cause I realised that "ethno world 4" which I own was definitely 32 bit - and I didn't know this before, cause it was shown (and works!) inside Kontakt 4 (64bit), but causes that I get into troubles with saving MIR projects probably. 

Thanks for reply.

Frank

On the Mac, there is a load order sequence whereby PLAY must be loaded first in sequential order, followed by Kontakt. Could this be a similar situation here whereby load all vsl first followed by kontakt?

Peter, that is to do with conflicting memory servers, due to the fact that OSX is rather late to the game with 64bit. In Windows there are no memory servers, because Kontakt and PLAY are both 64bit, so it should make no difference.

DG

I'm doing a very large orchestral template now, with 20+ kontakt instances.
I left one VSL instrument at 6th place the firsts 5 kontakt instruments. I think that there's a problem in that particular position.
No problems for now. Every instance I add I save a MIR project with incremental save (now I'm to 39 saved). I don't fully load every instance with articulations, just one or two per instance.
Incremental saving let's me to revert back to the previous saves, and every 1-2 saves I close MIR and reopen and see if it opens the project. Every 10 saves I reboot my PC and see if MIR opens.
If there's a problem, for me, it's not related by kontakt itself, but with generic 3rd party plugins. And in my opinion, it's totally non-related to protected or unprotected libraries and even less to 32 bit or 64 bit libraries (since you load the samples and the original kompakt player is totally absent in this workflow).

I' m fairly happy for now but I'm very very cautious about everything I do, in MIR. Like walking on a mine camp :-) (sometimes it crashes at loading the project, but I insist, and it opens)

This thread should be renamed to:
Problems with Kontakt 4 and MIR? There may be not an easy solution! But it's worth it! :-)