MIR / Sibelius setup guide / help?

[knievel]

Hello everyone!

I'm currently testing out the demo of MIR at the mo - sounds absolutely awsome and am very impressed!  [quite exited really!] [:)]

But I can't seem to link it up with Sibelius 6  [*-)]

Is there a setup guide anywhere or perhaps someone has already wrote down the MIDI/audio/driver settings I should have to get MIR/VI playing notes in Sibelius?

I can get sounds to play in MIR using either my keyboard or the VI keyboard, but nothing when I play my score in Sibelius.

Current set up:

SIBELIUS:

I have downloaded LoopBe 1 and set this as my 'active device' in Sibelius - Orchestral Strings as soundset.

I have assigned 1 channel in Sibelius and assigned this channel my Orchestral Violins soundset - then of course set my Sibelius mixer with this info.

In Audio Engine Options I have assigned my Edirol soundcard to 'Edirol FA-66: ASIO', channel 1/2

MIR

In MIR I have loaded up my Orchestral Violins L1 preset and in VI assigned MIDI In: LoopBe 1 Internal Midi, Channel 1

All my MIDI options (inc. LoopBe1) have been checked/tick boxed in Audio/MIDI Preferences under MIDI devices.

Any guide or help with this would be fab and much appreciated  [H]

Thanks and best regards,

knievel

[Dietz]

Hi Knievel,

thanks for your interest in Vienna MIR!

Setting up the MIDI-connection is actually pretty straight-forward: Just make sure that the instrument within MIR is set to the corresponding output port and channel as the MIDI-track in Sibelius.

For example: Track 1 sends to Internal MIDI Out 1, Channel 1 -> MIR's instrument 1 has to be set to Internal MIDI In 1, Channel 1.

BTW - make sure to turn off (!) LoopBe's "Shortcut Detection". As good as this feature is meant, it tends to shut down the connection when the data-stream gets a bit busy.

Kind regards,

[DaveTubaKing]

I have loopBe30 - I have 4 "ports after reboot" none of them are muted and the "Enable Shortcut Detection" is not ticked.

In MIR Audio/MIDI Preferences I have "ASIO: M-Audio Delta Asio" as active (I've just noticed you can choose the number of Mulitprocessing threads and have changed it from 2 to 8 to match my i7 extreme). MIDI is Internal MIDI 1-4 all ticked.

In Sibelius 6.1 the active device is Internal Midi sound set none (as I use individual patches). I then have however many channels i want and each channel has its relevant sound ID. In the Mixer each instrument is assigned to the relevant internal MIDI, Instrument ID and channel.

Then each VI channel number in MIR corresponds with the relvant instrument channel number in Sibelius.I think that's everything. Not sure if there's something in there that doesn't correspond with your set up. I do recall spending ages getting LoopBe to behave correctly - or rather learning how to set it up correctly

Hope that helps.

[knievel]

Hi Dietz!

Thanks for the reply - much appreciated.

"...make sure that the instrument within MIR is set to the corresponding output port and channel as the MIDI-track in Sibelius.

For example: Track 1 sends to Internal MIDI Out 1, Channel 1 -> MIR's instrument 1 has to be set to Internal MIDI In 1, Channel 1"

I think that's the set up I have at the minute - see screen shot below...

Couple more points that may be of use to help:

• Should I be using a DAW in amongts all this? Or is it ok to just use MIR and Sibelius?
• When I see LoopBe in my 'Active Devices' in Sibelius, I select the Orchestral Strings soundset, but don't have the chance to activate more LoopBe1 instances - hence how can I use different soundsets?
• I'm on one machine - is that the problem?

Best regards!

knievel

[knievel]

Thanks guys for your help!

Hey it's working!! [:)] 

I had unticked my ASIO soundcard as a MIDI input in MIR - I think that might have been the clash.

It was stuck on a few articulations at first - but a after re-assigning all the channels in Sibelius a few times it's all up and running!

Cheers again for all the help! [D]

PS...Where is the 'sound detection' box for me to untick in LoopBe?? Is it an option in the 'LoopBe Monitor' ?

PPS... I take it I will need LoopBe30 to run more internal MIDI connections in my 'active devices' in Sibelius - for instance, if I want to use my Special Edition soundsets to have brass and woodwind sections???

(hope that makes sense!)

Thanks again

knievel

[DaveTubaKing]

Yes you will need LoopBe 30 for more than one active device. For large ensembles/orchestra you will need 3 or 4. The sound detection box is on the LoopBe monitor so may only be with the 30 version.

Your one articulation problem sounds like a soundset problem. I don't use soundsets so I'll leave Andi to solve that for you.

This thread should be moved to the software notation forum.

[knievel]

Hey it's working!! [:)] 

It was stuck on a few articulations at first - but a after re-assigning all the channels in Sibelius a few times it's all up and running!

Cheers again for all the help! [D]

Thanks for the info Dave - I'm off to get LoopBe30 then to start playing around with more sections of the orchestra.

[I shouldn't really get this excited about something like this - but it's gonna be really good fun having a play around!]

Thanks all again

knievel

[Dietz]

Good to hear that you're up & running now! ... I hope you will like what you hear. ;-)

Remember that the demo is valid for 30 days, so don't despair when you're seemingly running out of starts before. Just "reload" your eLicenser online.

... and don't forget that there's a manual available for D/L, too. 8-]

Enjoy,

[gilles1234]

 Well, I'm glad that worked. As for me, I still have a loop back problem.

I have a string quartet configuration set up in MIR 1.3 trial, and instruments sound very good in MIR (superb product!), as fas as this is stand alone. Problem comes when connected with Sibelius.

I have defined a couple of midi ports in LoopBe30 (but une only 1 for now) and disabled the "Enable Shortcut Detection".

In Sibelius 6.2, I have loaded a playback configuration that uses the VE special edition sound set on Internal Midi device. The channel numbers of the string instruments match those defined in MIR, but I didn't define any "program number".

In Sibelius preferences for Input devices, I can see all the internal midi devices, which are ticked enabled. I have also unchecked "midi thru" AND "Echo notes when in background".

In Sibelius I then go to the end of the score and click on, say, the last note of the cello. I clearly hear the cello in MIR (so it goes from Sib to Mir ok) but Sibelius then freezes a moment and then automatically inserts a couple of pages worth of very low notes -- as if some internal input had occured. I usually can Ctrl-Z the score back to its original sstate (undoing all the inserts) but sooner or later Sibelius freezes.

I must have overlooked something about loop back but I cannot identify what it is. Any ideas?

[andi]

Hello Gilles!

The MIDI port you activated in the Sibelius Playback Devices must be deactivated on the Preferences/Input Devices page. Otherwise you will get a MIDI loop.

Best regards,
Andi

[gilles1234]

 Hi Andi,

Thank you so much, Andi, not only for solving the problem but also for opening my eyes: I guess I can't read. Yet, the word "Input" devices was clear enough. Now I understand, there is no input keyboard here, Sibelius score IS the "input".Now it  I works very well.

Cheers !!

Gil