Hi Guys,
I was wondering if it would be possible in MIR pro to add another Mic to the main mic ?
Thx
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MIR : Add Mic position to the main Mic
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In short - no. <shrugs shoulders>
Crude workaround: You could record a second "Full Wet" version of your mix from a different microphone position and add it to the main version.
Long answer: I mixed different main systems all the time during the early phase of MIR's concept development, and of course this adds a new set of possibilities to the already pretty exhaustive pallette of sounds. We decided to leave that one out for now due to a number of reasons, though (the enourmous amounts of RAM needed being one of them), but I have it on my personal whish-list for MIR Pro.--- Especially mixing "Großer Saal" Mic 1 or 2 with some healthy amount of Mic 4, with two cardoids pointing _away_ from the stage is very, very pleasing. 8-)
Kind regards,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
This is embarassing...
Today I've made many tests using MIR as I hoped I could use only one instance to get my mix perfect....but I found out that I need to run (successively) several setups to get my mix sound good...as it was with altiverb...
I have to admit I'm disappointed...sorry to say so...
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Hmmm ... could it be that you misunderstood the concept of MIR ...?
When you use one "main microphone position" within MIR and place your players on stage, it is like having several hundred AltiVerbs with _individual_ impulse responses working at the same time. All of these positional IRs are recorded with the same main microphone, of course - like you would when recording a live orchestra in the same hall. For most (if not all) of the MIR users so far this is more than enough to get a perfect mix :-)
The old "AltiVerb"-way of thinking was more or less forcing you to use different microphones in order to achieve some kind of offset in the depth of single sources. This is not the way MIR thinks, as the depth is derived from the actual source.
What you can do _know_ is to use a different Output Format to get more reflections from the back of a hall (... if this is what you're after). Try the "Blumlein - crossed figure-8" preset form the output list, for example, or create your own decoding setup in the Output Format Editor, where you can choose and change the characteristics, volume and orientation of each individual (virtual) capsule of the mains system. - The details are in the manual.
PS: What I was talking about in my previous message was the idea of having more than one main microphone system available, which _sometimes_ can be a nice addition when you need additional colours for the room information you gather. This is something we try to add to MIR Pro, although hardly anybody seemed to miss this feature up to now. - Good to hear that at least _you_ will use it :-)
HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Hi Dietz,
Thank you very much for this great answer.
As a matter of fact I did buy MIR exactly for what you say it does. But at the time I bought it I was convinced that I will just have to create one session in order to get a perfect mix. I've tried many options and also I tried all the impulses (pack 1+2) to obtain some great mixes but still not as good as before...So I've looked into the demo files and I've figured that to get the great mix on adventures on earth J. Bacal used different setup for each section....What is the point of having MIR then?
using different Mic would permit me to trick the mix and obtain a good result. As we all know, recording is often about tricks :)
I have to say, it sounds great but I can't make it sound as good ans sharp as I wish...Maybe I'll wait for new impulses...As I'm a big big fan of yours I'm sure it will get to the point where MIR will fit my requirements!!
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@Ramu said:
[...] So I've looked into the demo files and I've figured that to get the great mix on adventures on earth J. Bacal used different setup for each section [...]Ramu - you got this the wrong way 'round. Jay did several mix passes because his machine wasn't able to handle bigger setups in real-time back then. The actual output-format he used was the same for each pass, though!
This has changed since he switched to a new system recently 😉
No need for tricks or different output formats ... in fact this would _reduce_ the perceived realism of your mix. I was talking about _adding_ a second main system to the _complete_ mix of the actual first main system --- not to increase depth or realism, but to add a bit of colour or spatial enveloping to your mix.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
