Multiple multitimbral multioutputs in Vepro

[G.R. Baumann]

I know, lots of multis. I am struggling to setup Ve Pro Templates in Logic 9, let me explain. I think I know how to use Omnisphere or Kontakt with VePro, what I do is start VePro64 in Logic as a 8 channel instrument, and load Omni in VePro, set plugin midi channel to 1 and out to ALL, then add Input channels for the individual outs to be able to see them as AUX in the Logix Mixer. So far so good, but when I load another Omnisphere instance in the same VePro, and change plugin Midi channel to 2, and go to the second Logic Instrument slot which is aslo midi channel 2, I can not get any sound. The only way to get sound from the second instance is to se plugin midi channel to all, which I do not want, because then the first omni instance is triggered as well. Where am I messing up here?- Thanks!

[fritzflotow]

You can't do that. Logic's AU only supports one midi port of 16 channels. That's it ... You have to open another Instance of VEpro in Logic, so you'll have another 16 channels - not in the same VEpro instance i am afraid ...  

I had the same problem and also wondered quite some time, how to do such an obvious thing ...

[G.R. Baumann]

Hey..... ! Thanks so much!!!! I was questioning my sanity already. Sound like a strange limitation to me. Then again, I am totally new to Logic.....So in real life, you would add another Instrument, plugin another VePro for the second Omnisphere on Midi channel 2, right? That means, openeing a VePro instrument as a multitimbral in Logic makes no sense. Really confusing.

[Paul]

Hi Georg,

don´t confuse MIDI ports and MIDI channels!

AU allows 1 MIDI Port with 16 MIDI Channels. "Multitimbral" means that you can use more than 1 MIDI Channel at once (like with the Vienna Instruments).

Best,

Paul

[G.R. Baumann]

Hi Paul, Ok, I try to understand it like my 8x midi routers, each of the eight In and Out is one PORT, to which I connect one single keyboard, which itself has 16 midi channels available. Practically this would mean that in one VEPro instance, it is not possible to load more than one Omnisphere or Kontakt other than sending on the same 16 channels. So I could use one 16 multitimbral instrument in Logic that is served by one instance of VePro. Using Kontakt and Omnisphere and Vienna Instruments in the same, would mean they all have to share the 16 channels. Is it asking for trouble, if say some of them are played over the same channel? Then I suppose, loading another VePro instance onto another Logic multitimbral Instrument, using VePro plugin midi channel 2 (Port), and Logic midi channel 2 is the way to do it. Hold on, or does that mean there is only that SINGLE Port available in Logic? That can't be, or can it? I am afraid I am still not 100% certain here.... LOL P.S. What was that line break carriage return sign again the bracket B bracket is obvisouly for bold characters.

[Paul]

Hi Georg,

each instrument has 1 port with 16 MIDI Channels. You can open another VE PRO instrument and have another port for the new instrument available. Just try it out!

Best,

Paul

[G.R. Baumann]

pheeew.... Now I got it! It just means I have to open new VePro instances for each midi Port. Thanks a lot!

[G.R. Baumann]

I tought I got it, but I don't. I opened another Logic Insturment, and in the inspector set midi channel to 2, now opened a new VePro connected also to 64 bit, and opened another omnisphere, and set midi port to 2. ....No sound.... I suppose the midi channel in the inspector of tge logic instrument is not the same as the midi plugin channel in VePro. What to do?

[Paul]

HI Georg,

please check out the last chapter of your VE PRO manual (called "Routing"), you also have some screenshots there. This is quite different from Cubase.

Best,

Paul

[G.R. Baumann]

I did Paul, but it does not deal with midi ports and mutiple instances. Again, the second multi timbral instrument hosting the second VEPro instance ist set to Midi channel 2, in VePro the Midi plugin channel is set to Midi channel 2 as well and midi out to ALL, I get no sound..... :o(

[G.R. Baumann]

There is no explanation in the manual dealing with this situation at all. I am moving onto a logic forum with that question, it seems as if any Ports in VePro other than plugin midi channel 1 or Omni can not be used to record multi timbrals in Logic.....

[Paul]

Hi Georg,

if you create a new software instrument, make sure to check the box "multitimbral".

Insert VE PRO, connect to the VE PRO Server. A new VE PRO instance will open.

Same with the next instance.

Does that work?

Best regards,

Paul

[G.R. Baumann]

Feeling really dumb here! LOL .....If I do that, say 8 Timbral. Logic creates 8 instruments in the arrange page Midi Channel 1-8, I connect Vepro on Midi Plugin Channel 1 (PORT). .....I do that again, another 8 Instruments are created, again midi channel 1 -8.... Here I connect the next Instance of VEPro on Midi plugin channel 2..... I hear nothing.... back later this evening.... have to walk the dog now.... Thanks anyways for helping to solve this puzzle. It really wrecks my head at the moment.