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    This question has been answered many times on this forum, so I suggest that you have a good read so that we don't have to type the information a million times.

    However, in short, if you use Logic there are only 16 channels for VE Pro instance. This is due to the AU spec. If you use VST or RTAS you don't have this limitation.

    DG
  • S
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    DG....thanx for swift reply.......

    Then why doesn't Vienna include an "IAC" option? That would work.....

    SvK
  • M
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    Because of timing issues. We might look into doing such a thing, but timing accuracy will indeed be a problem.
  • S
    S

    Hi Martin.......

    So this 16 channel limitation in Logic 9 will also effect a VE Pro instance coming from a slave computer? Because right now my slave PC is running a VE2 instance with 40+ mdi channels......using midi over lan and lightpipe...

    thanx again,

    SvK
  • S
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    What use is a 64 bit host if it can only access 16 midi channels?
    Chances are with that few midi channels , you won't get past the 3.5 gig RAM anyway.......

    Now in order to reconstruct that ONE winds / brass template on my slave PC.....I would need to run FIVE VE pro instances....

    ohhhhhhhhh maaaaaannnnnnnnn

    such beautiful well thought out software, and who doesn't get to use it properly? LOGIC users. The MOST used daw for TV / Film

    siiighhhh

    SvK
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    I mean you have made an awesome piece of software...Stunning in fact......I mean do you guys not want apple users? Why, do we always get the short end of the stick from Vienna? It breaks my heart.....
  • M
    M

    I don't get what you mean. Do you expect VSL to magically change the AU plugin format and recode Logic?
  • S
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    I expect you to find a work around...If that means including an IAC option for MAC users that makes timing suffer a tad (midi over lan's latency is just fine)...so be it. 

    best,

    SvK

    ps: The software is really, really great. That's why I'm so upset ;-)
  • M
    M

    Latency and timing are two different things. We will do our best to make the product as good as possible for all platforms.
  • M
    M

    Folllowing this discussion and realizing the problems for Logic people, I just went ahead and implemented support for external midi ports while in server mode. Timing will not be as tight as when using plugin midi, and of course offline bouncing will not work - but otherwise it plays and works fine.

    The next update will include this functionality.

    Thanks,
  • S
    S

    i don't quite get this:

    when we use bidule the midi ports turn up in logic. why does this not work here? same thing with rewire, we can have bidule rewire for midi and have loads of ports and therefore channels....

    so presumably what we need to be able to do is run VST plugs in logic. if we could run the plugs as VST would we then have the midi ports?
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    @MS said:

    Folllowing this discussion and realizing the problems for Logic people, I just went ahead and implemented support for external midi ports while in server mode. Timing will not be as tight as when using plugin midi, and of course offline bouncing will not work - but otherwise it plays and works fine.

    The next update will include this functionality.

    To continue this discussion with myself, I have also found a way to get around the timing issues. Looks like this is a nice solution after all.
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    A
    On behalf of Logic users everywhere, thank you Martin for going the extra mile. I think this software is a game changer and I will be doing a tutorial on using it with Logic Pro 9 in my upcoming book, "Going Pro With Logic Pro 9."
  • S
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    Thank you so much, Martin (and the whole VSL development team). This really should help many, many users. It's always the mark of a good company that listens to it's clients.
  • M
    M

    Always glad to help!
  • S
    S

    that's great!

    so no offline bounce but solid timing? 

    how easy is it to set up?

    when do you think an update might materialize?

    any issues you can foresee?
  • M
    M

    so no offline bounce but solid timing? 

    Right

    how easy is it to set up?

    Start server just like you do now, insert the plugin - then choose "IAC midi", "MidiOverLAN" or whatever midi you intend to use inside VE Pro as input port, and create an external midi track in Logic. Very simple.

    when do you think an update might materialize?

    Days.

    any issues you can foresee?

    Not at the moment.
  • S
    S

    Martin.....

    Thanx so much, This is still a great leap forward for mac users, as we can say goodbye to audio cards on slaves and having to run insane amounts of the app. Your App truly is a milestone...Thanx!

    sincerely,

    SvK
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    I wnated to Thank you aswell Martin! As I already stated: It's not only the way you react to so many individual wishes but as well the amazing SPEED whith which you managed to do that! I'm really impressed. (now I'm again rethinking on staying with my loved logic instead of having to get Cubase and start all the setup from scratch)
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    Thanks Martin. This is also a help to those who face the eight instance barrier. 

    Will my old school Unitor 8 hardware show up as hardware in's in the VSL server within Logic? I'm not above a MIDI patch cord loop.  

    By the way, since Snow Leopard, VE PRO 3 has been rock solid for me.