Vienna Instruments and Finale.

[Jprice32]

Hello I'm Jonathan and I am a new composer who is doing more and more of my own compositions but have been contracted more as an orchestrator and arranger. I have been wanting to purchase the Vienna Ensemble Plus for some time now but am very nervous to do so. My question is, can I use the Vienna Instruments with Finale like I can with the Garritan Instruments? If not what would I need to do to be able to use this incredible product for my own compositions? Jonathan

[andi]

Hello Jonathan and welcome to the forum!

We offer Finale 2008 and Finale 2009 Human Playback Preferences for our Vienna Special Edition customers as a free download. This means that articulation changes will work automatically, just as you are used to from the Garritan library.
All the details about the Vienna Special Edition can be found at the following location:
http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/982/983/292.htm

Best regards,
Andi Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library

[Jprice32]

Thank you so much Andi this helped a lot.

[michael.matthews]

HI Jonathan:

Just to let you know that I and many others use VSL and Finale regularly. They work very well together. I disagree with Andi's observation that the bigger sample collections are easier to handle with Sibelius or DAW's. Sometimes I feel that there is a predjudice at VSL which favours Sibelius over Finale. This may not be true, in which case my apologies to the VSL team, but it does occasionally seem that way. In any event Finale and VSL are a great combo!

Michael

[andi]

Hi Michael!

Thanks for your opinion. I don't have any prejudices against Finale. I think both, Finale and Sibelius, have their pros and cons. Maybe you can elaborate a bit on how you use the bigger collections with Finale. Did you make your own Human Playback Preferences?

Best,
Andi

[Sergino Futurino]

 After 10 years of working with FINALE (I mean I also was payed for making scores), due to the VSL I have passed to Sibelius 6 and I ask to my self: why did I wait so long?

Actually, I know that I wouldn't like the previous releases of Sibelius, but with number 6 I think it has overtaken Finale. In all aspects.

[michael.matthews]

Hi Andi:

Thanks for the reply. I am sorry if I over-reacted; perhaps I am a bit sensitive in this area. It is partially because VSL seems to provide more support, in the form of utilities like HP prefs., to Sibelius users. Perhaps I am mistaken. For example, there could be 2010 HP prefs, and ones for products other than the Special Edition.

In any event, yes, I make my own HP prefs. It is time consuming but not difficult. I used to use VSL within Logic, driven by Finale (and I still do that if I am writing a piece that involved electronics), but now that VE can be loaded via AU into Finale, I connect them directly.

Michael

[andi]

Hello Michael!

Thanks for that. Actually I wanted to make more Finale Human Playback Preferences, but had the feeling I had to compromise too much, because too many articulations couldn't be triggered.

There's no need in Finale 2010 HPP, because the Finale 2009 HPP will work perfectly well with Finale 2010.

Best,
Andi

[michael.matthews]

Hi Andi:

You can trigger many articulations in Finale HP, especially when you combine a keyswitch with controller data.

By the way, there is a mistake in your Finale HP preferences. The "Tuba legato" technique shows "Contrabassoon" as the instrument.

Michael

[andi]

Hi Michael!

The Tuba mistake has already been corrected in the last update.
Sending Keyswitch and Controller Data is not the problem, but you are restricted by the articulations, that you can selected.

Best,
Andi

[mdovey]

I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by "restricted by the articulations, that you can selected" You can send up to three keyswitch/controller messages per "technique", and you can extend the "technique" by using custom text - or am I missing something? Matthew

[coolbeanj]

So you can use it (Vienna Special Edition) with Finale 2010, but can you use it with one of their other programs like Finale PrintMusic? I imagine that the human playback would work with PrintMusic in the same way, but I just want to make sure.

[andi]

Hello coolbeanj!

Thanks for your interest. As far as I know, Finale PrintMusic will not let you make changes to "Human Playback". In order to use our Special Edition with Finale, you will have to load (and use) the Special Edition Human Playback Preferences. If these cannot be imported with PrintMusic, it won't work properly.

Best regards,
Andi

[bogdan]

Hi Andi,

Just to see if  Matthew is right about the Finale integration, and  the possibility of sending 3 key switch controllers for each articulation; I already sent him a message but he did not reply yet. If  so, I 'm just asking my self why he's not sharing those sound sets, or why you "are not willing" to take the risk in doing some ;)...

I can pay, if is so much time consuming to make them.  A lot of Finale users probably are waiting to see something done in this direction.

All the best 

Bogdan

[andi]

Hello Bogdan!

I'm in contact with the Finale guys. When Human Playback Preferences for our bigger collections can be done without having to make big compromises, they will be done.

Best,
Andi

[bogdan]

Thanks Andi for your fast response; one thing though, did Finale team gives you some hints about when they are going to implement some new things ? Finale 2012 , 2013...other time , era ...???;)))

 It looks like the things are procrastinated too much ...

Anyway, good to know that at least they are aware about this..or maybe they were from few years ago--- don;t get me wrong , I love Finale but I still find this issue being too much postponed........and who's the wining guy from this issue , I don't see it yet....:))   kind of frustrating ....

All the best,

B

[andi]

Sorry, but I don't know when it will be fixed.

Best,

Andi

[Bill]

The FInale HP lets you use custom text as a basis for articulation changes.  Wouldn't that be sufficient in place of articulations not in the drop down list?

[bogdan]

HI Bill,

Thanks for jumping in. I did the same thing with other libraries and this method didn't workout with HP algorithm of interpreting. In other words, using like this the articulation changing, did you obtain the same results in playback as if they were integrated in HP file? Are you satisfied with it?

Many thanks 

Bogdan

[andi]

Hi Bill!

In fact it's the custom text changes that make problems, becuase they cannot be defined differently for different instruments or instrument groups.

Best,
Andi