@Crescendo said:

As for PPC compatibility, I think we need to draw a line somewhere... producing symphonic music is really a task that is highly demanding regarding hardware. I don't see many people seriously producing orchestral music with just a PPC system. Prove me wrong but I think most serious users have already found it necessary to move on to the intel platform...

Not really sure what you do, Cresendo but I can assure you that there are many people out there that are still using a PPC in their systems. "Serious users," as you put it, usually have more than one computer in their system and those other computers are usually Intels - but there maybe a maxed out PPC that still has it's place in the set-up. I know it does with mine and my other Intels. It would be great to be able to use that G5PPC in addition and not a "door stop."

Sorry I went on a rant, but sometimes arrogance really needs to be addressed.

@rpmusic said:

Serious users," as you put it, usually have more than one computer in their system and those other computers are usually Intels - but there maybe a maxed out PPC that still has it's place in the set-up. I know it does with mine and my other Intels. It would be great to be able to use that G5PPC in addition and not a "door stop."

Sorry I went on a rant, and I but sometimes arrogance really needs to be addressed.

Hi Rob!

I agree with you.

I am using my G5 2.0 as Master( DP 5.13) and one Intel PC Core 2 Quad.

My G5 has it;s place in my set up .  One more thing..... the price for a new Mac Intel here in Brazil,

it's almost three times the list price. Very expensive.

I will be using my G5 for some time.

Best regards!

@Crescendo said:

As for PPC compatibility, I think we need to draw a line somewhere... producing symphonic music is really a task that is highly demanding regarding hardware. I don't see many people seriously producing orchestral music with just a PPC system. Prove me wrong but I think most serious users have already found it necessary to move on to the intel platform...

Not really sure what you do, Cresendo but I can assure you that there are many people out there that are still using a PPC in their systems. "Serious users," as you put it, usually have more than one computer in their system and those other computers are usually Intels - but there maybe a maxed out PPC that still has it's place in the set-up. I know it does with mine and my other Intels. It would be great to be able to use that G5PPC in addition and not a "door stop."

Sorry I went on a rant, and I but sometimes arrogance really needs to be addressed.

I have to agree. I make a full time living scoring feature films, so I think that would qualify me as a "serious" user.  While my main DAW is an intel 8 core, I have 6 farms of various makes and OS's. One of them is my old G5. While I generally don't use it for heavy CPU type stuff, I do use it for lots of percussion. It still serves me well, day in and day out. 

Also, I might add that I would have liked to see VE Pro able to work with Tiger as well. Many of us are not using Leopard - for many valid reasons. It's just not all the way 100% ready to handle all the various plugs and apps that many of us have to deal with. Tiger is solid and will still be the main OS in a lot of studios for some time to come.

Other than having it on a separate boot drive to run occasional smaller sessions on, I've held off on Leopard for my main working DAW OS. And, I can't see that I'll be moving to it full time anytime soon. Maybe some time next year if, and that's a big fat IF, all the developers get all the apps that I use functioning well in Leopard. 

That's going to affect a lot of potential VE Pro users as well. 

VSL informed me that VE Pro might work on Tiger, but they won't officially support it. I would like to see it be supported, at least for another 6 months or so. 

VE Pro will not work on 10.4 Tiger.

@Crescendo said:

As for PPC compatibility, I think we need to draw a line somewhere... producing symphonic music is really a task that is highly demanding regarding hardware. I don't see many people seriously producing orchestral music with just a PPC system. Prove me wrong but I think most serious users have already found it necessary to move on to the intel platform...

It's hard for me to understand why you thought it was necessary to undermine the position of PPC users,

who - as VSL customers - asked for support .

First and foremost a "serious user"  - facing extremely tight deadlines - needs stable computer systems to work with  .

A   maxed out PPC (with OS 10.4.11)  is definitely such a system, which is still perfect for  hosting your Main DAW,

usually connected with slave PC's  and / or Slave Intel-Macs.

- Gerd

@MS said:

VE Pro will not work on 10.4 Tiger.

Hi Martin,

To clarify it says on the system requirements page that "Please note that a slave computer has to comply with the Vienna Ensemble specifications, the master computer to those of the host application (e.g., Cubase, Logic, Sibelius etc.)"

I interpret this to mean that VE PRO will not work on a OS X Tiger SLAVE machine, but will work as a plugin in the DAW on a OS X Tiger MASTER machine. So the blanket statement of "VE Pro will not work on 10.4 Tiger" is not entirely true.

Thanks, Brian

@MS said:

VE Pro will not work on 10.4 Tiger.

I interpret this to mean that VE PRO will not work on a OS X Tiger SLAVE machine, but will work as a plugin in the DAW on a OS X Tiger MASTER machine. So the blanket statement of "VE Pro will not work on 10.4 Tiger" is not entirely true.

Thanks, Brian

As Martin is programming the dratted thing, I would imagine that he knows more about it than you do. [;)]

DG

@Karel said:

Actually, this is correct. The VE PRO AU/RTAS will work fine on 10.4 Tiger. It's just the standalone and server that requires 10.5 Leopard or higher.

Hurrah, hurrah. Now what about VST? And I want to use Windows 95?

DG

Since it appears that the good people of VSL are attending the forum today what was the answer to my previous question?

Just for a refresher:

Does VE Pro work with Play?

Collaterally, if it is not officially recognized as ‘supported by VSL’ would that mean that it doesn’t work at all or just that you can’t vouch for its stability?

@Karel said:

Actually, this is correct. The VE PRO AU/RTAS will work fine on 10.4 Tiger. It's just the standalone and server that requires 10.5 Leopard or higher.

Hi Karel,

Great news!!

I am using VE3 on my PPC G5 as a host and one PC Quad Core as slave

I'd like to know if.... VE3 Pro will run as a HOST  on my PPC G5 under Tiger???

Regards.

.

@jotaresende said:

I am using VE3 on my PPC G5 as a host and one PC Quad Core as slave

I'd like to know if.... VE3 Pro will run as a HOST  on my PPC G5 under Tiger???

Regards.

Yes.....That's exactly what Karel is saying.

P

My vote is for a release of what you have tested and working now - with these options as requested in future releases.  :)

Rob

@Karel said:

PowerPC support at this time is not a certainty, but we're definitely looking into it.

Karel ,

this is absolutely great news !

Highly appreciate all your work and efforts !!!

I think with your statement you managed to put a big smile on the faces of all PPC users around the world ... [:D] ...

Thanks a lot

Best wishes

- Gerd

@Rob Elliott said:

My vote is for a release of what you have tested and working now - with these options as requested in future releases.  😊

I completely agree with you Rob. I'm chomping at the bit for it to be released.

 To Whom It May Concern,

I have had a DAW builder who knows my live requirements and concerns, and has warned me that using VE Pro live might have latency issues.

I will be using 2 x 64bit PC streamers and 1 x main DAW. This builder has not seen my newest setup where I went from DSP cards on 5volt/32bit PCI buss to a 1U rack of DSP chips using the PCI-e 1X buss.

Live I use 3msec/44.1 and record with 1msec/96k. But I am more concerned with the live latency. How much latency should I expect from the 2 x 64bit PC slaves to the XITE-1 DSP rack via the PCI-e 1X...? If it helps any I was using 13msec/44.1k back in '99 live w/ Gigastudio/Scope DSP cards, and it was acceptable, similar to being 20 feet away from a crash cymbal. What should I expect if VE Pro is my host..? Also, I disable all native time based effects, and use hardware and DSP. Any effects will be applied in the main DAW and the only native effects will be a Sonalksiss Lo-Fi and the Algorhytmix Split Compressor, and only the Comp. for recording not live.

Thanks For Any Info.

You would pretty much always have a higher latency with a standalone / soundcard setup. Measure and see...

Hey guys this is awwwwwsome software! Running great on my Macbook snow leopard and Slave Core i7.

@Karel said:

Actually, this is correct. The VE PRO AU/RTAS will work fine on 10.4 Tiger. It's just the standalone and server that requires 10.5 Leopard or higher.

Can I just ask is the above statement still true before I attempt to install it on my studio Mac? (PPC, Tiger, logic, master only). I noticed it says 10.5.7 on the install....

I reckon you'll all be deserving a long holiday soon!

Cheers

Paul