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    @Dietz said:

    One of the Beta testers had MIR running and working on Bootcamp and reported ok-ish results. (Ron, would you please recapitulate your findings ...? TIA!)

    Dietz, my pleasure:

    Folks, one of my test systems was an early 2008 Mac Pro octocore 3.2 ghz with 32 gigs of ram, running Windows 7 and an RME Fireface 800, cubase 5.0.1 is running on the same computer.  This system is certainly no slouch, but is a generation old.

    My findings were as follows:

    Buffer 128 is not really a viable option for more than a hanful of instruments.  At buffer 512, I can run roughly 15-18 instruments at approximately 75% cpu consumption before clicks and pops begin (all perf-legato patches for these testing purposes).  I can basically double that at 1024.  Buffer set at x2.  Keep in mind, however, that at 1024 w/ x2 buffer, there is some latencty.  It's actually a fairly viable MIR solution for smallish-medium orchestrations, but don't expect to mockup Mahler 😉. Also, MIR's buffer should be set at x2 or above.

    If someone were planning to use this kind of rig for MIR, I would definitely recommend having the Sequencer on another computer.

    I'm happy to answer any questions about this kind of setup.

    Best,

    -Ron
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     I am using Matrox Parhelia APVe graphic cards which are PCIe x16 but all I can find is that they support "DirectX / OpenGL" but not DirectX 10 specifically, so I guess that they only support DirectX 9. Seems I have to buy new graphic cards???
  • cmC
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    cmC

    in the gigastudio times i loved the millennium cards for their economical drivers and used them up to the P650 model - later we had to switch to ATI because the matrox openGL implementation was very poor ....

    the Parhelia APVe has also *only* 128 MB of a somehow slow memory - i'd say give it a try at least, but since matrox doesn't mention the directX and openGL versions i'd suspect support for both beeing limited ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Thanks. I just wanted to ensure that MIR, at the time of installation or start-up, will not come up with a message like: "The graphics adapter you are using does not meet the requirements of this software. [Quit]"
  • cmC
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    cmC

    hehe - maybe a good idea to get that implemented ;-) - however the installer comes up with a message *your operating system is not supportet* if you're not running VISTA or WINDOWS 7 64bit

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Are there going to be any audio demonstrations soon? They're pretty important.
  • DietzD
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    DietzD

    Yes, there will be a few more in the near future. Nevertheless, I think the actual demo-version will be the best way to get a real impression of what MIR is able to do - and how.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Awwww .. such a shame that us Mac users miss out. Oh well .. I'm still quite happy with the Vienna Convolution Reverb .. guess I'm going to have to be happy with it for a while huh :P

    Just gonna have to pray for that big film project so I can afford to buy a PC that can run MIR. hehe .. I reckon you'll have the Mac version done before I get such a film.
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    So I assume that MIR is also able to transfer midi and audio thru ethernet like the VE?
  • cmC
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    cmC

    the current version of MIR is a stand-alone application - it awaits MIDI and outputs audio to an ASIO compatible soundcard.

    however you can feed MIDI over network (MoL, LoopBe, ect) and route back audio eg. over ADAT

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    It may be worth testing with a combination of MOL and AudioPort, in case this turns out to be a viable solution for people. It would certainly save them having to buy soundcards for the MIR machine.

    DG
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    Will there be any video tutorials for MIR soon Paul? [:)]
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    Wouldn´t it be a nice idea to pimp up the Panning tool of the Vienna Suite with a little bit of MIRish features ?

    Let´s say basic Left Right function + 2 impulse response streams (one near the instrument, the other one from the back or at a greater distance)  ?

    Not too complex, so it can work on average computers without the cray-like system requirements :)
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    @Dietz said:

    One of the Beta testers had MIR running and working on Bootcamp and reported ok-ish results. (Ron, would you please recapitulate your findings ...? TIA!)

    Dietz, my pleasure:

    Folks, one of my test systems was an early 2008 Mac Pro octocore 3.2 ghz with 32 gigs of ram, running Windows 7 and an RME Fireface 800, cubase 5.0.1 is running on the same computer.  This system is certainly no slouch, but is a generation old.

    My findings were as follows:

    Buffer 128 is not really a viable option for more than a hanful of instruments.  At buffer 512, I can run roughly 15-18 instruments at approximately 75% cpu consumption before clicks and pops begin (all perf-legato patches for these testing purposes).  I can basically double that at 1024.  Buffer set at x2.  Keep in mind, however, that at 1024 w/ x2 buffer, there is some latencty.  It's actually a fairly viable MIR solution for smallish-medium orchestrations, but don't expect to mockup Mahler 😉. Also, MIR's buffer should be set at x2 or above.

    If someone were planning to use this kind of rig for MIR, I would definitely recommend having the Sequencer on another computer.

    I'm happy to answer any questions about this kind of setup.

    Best,

    -Ron

    Ron, On my Mac Intel Xeon, I made a partition of about 150 GB to install Windows 7, so a dual system. I then installed MIR on the PC partition. The problem I have now is to bridge the midi using [i]MIDIoverLAN[/i] from my Mac to Windows, I currently use Logic Pro, but how do I get from there to MIR? What should the configurations be? This is not very conventional way of doing it and MIR being new and all but if anybody knows about this I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!
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    @Guy said:

    Ron, On my Mac Intel Xeon, I made a partition of about 150 GB to install Windows 7, so a dual system. I then installed MIR on the PC partition. The problem I have now is to bridge the midi using MIDIoverLAN from my Mac to Windows, I currently use Logic Pro, but how do I get from there to MIR? What should the configurations be? This is not very conventional way of doing it and MIR being new and all but if anybody knows about this I'd appreciate some help. Thanks!

    Hi Guy,

     On my setup, I used cubase within windows (the windows version of cubase).  It's not possible to run logic on the mac partition and MIR on the windows partition at the same time.  Unfortunately, I don't think logic is available for windows, so you'll probably have to have a sequencer that works in windows.  Then you'll be able to run the sequencer and MIR off of your windows partition.

    I hope that helps.

    Best,

    -Ron
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    Thanks Ron for the fast reply!

    Yeah, that makes sense. But I guess it can't be great to have MIR and the sequencer on the same partition. What do you think?
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    @Guy said:

    Thanks Ron for the fast reply!

    Yeah, that makes sense. But I guess it can't be great to have MIR and the sequencer on the same partition. What do you think?

    Guy, my pleasure.  Any time!

    Well....my secondary test system is not the absolute best case scenario system for MIR.  On the other hand, I was running both MIR and the sequencer on the same partition and my results show that this setup is viable for small to medium size orchestrations.  Also, keep in mind that you can lower the buffer as you play in individual lines, and then raise the buffer (and MIR's own buffer multiplier) when you play the entire piece back.

    Hope this helps out, I'm happy to share any other results I can with you.

    Take care, Guy.

    -Ron
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    Guy, I think the first problem is that both the Mac side and the Windows side have the same ethernet address - even though there are two ports on the Mac Pro. But it may be possible to wire from one to the other. cm?

    The other problem - maybe this is the first one - is that you'd need...I forget the name, but the program that allows Windows and Mac to run at the same time (i.e. not Boot Camp). And that program takes some overhead, so if the computer is already strained, it probably isn't the way to go.
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    Guy, I think the first problem is that both the Mac side and the Windows side have the same ethernet address - even though there are two ports on the Mac Pro. But it may be possible to wire from one to the other. cm?

    The other problem - maybe this is the first one - is that you'd need...I forget the name, but the program that allows Windows and Mac to run at the same time (i.e. not Boot Camp). And that program takes some overhead, so if the computer is already strained, it probably isn't the way to go.

    You wouldn't be talking about Parallels 4? I just installed that, however I'm not sure that will do the trick either, however it's a cool software!
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    Apparently it CAN be done. Vanessa Garde Luque has confirmed this.

    http://vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170634#170634

    But because we are talking about MIR, I prefer to go with the ideal way and have a dedicated computer for it.