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    Hey, Andi I set 5 channels in the manual soundset tab in sibelius: strings.violin.ensmble strings.violin.ensemble strings.viola.ensemble strings.violincello.ensemble strings.contrabass.ensemble I then loaded 5 channels into the vienna software, orchestral violins in 1 and 2, orchestral violas in 3, etc. Back in Sib, I added violin I, violin II, viola, violincello and contrabass to my score. Under 'edit instruments' I went to 'best sound' and picked the corresponding sound ID from the VIenna menu. In the Sib mixer, I set each string staff to the corresponding channel. What I found is that when I had slurs in different staves notes would cut short. Sometimes the first violins wouldn't play at all. Any thoughts?
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    That sounds correct, but please don't touch the channel setting in the Sibelius mixer. This often makes a mess. Sibelius should choose the right channels automatically. If you have to correct something, please use the third line in the mixer as written above. It is not necessary to edit the instrument. The best sound you have picked should have already been there.

    Which Sibelius version are you using. Sibelius 5.2. had some playback problems, which have been fixed with Sibelius 5.2.5.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
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    N
    Hello everybody There is still a problem with the expression "detaché" in the Sibelius 6 playback dictonnary. detaché with an accent on the "e" doesn't trigger the "detache" patch in Vienne SE. Make sure you rewrite the expression detache without accent.
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    I have found that even this change does not guarantee the detache will be triggered.

    BTW, how much RAM does each instance of ensemble use? It would be handy to know this.
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    D
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    @Oceanview said:

    BTW, how much RAM does each instance of ensemble use? It would be handy to know this.

     

    Do you mean an empty instance?

    DG
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    P
    Having similar issues. My strings won't switch back from legato to sustain in some situations. As I understand it, the sustained sound in the DEFAULT, so shouldn't anything that is written without a slur, staccato, pizz etc... be Sustained. I have Sibelius 6. Anyway suggestions? -Peter Scartabello
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Peter!

    Did you try what I recommended in my first two replies to this thread and what is written in the "Optimizing Sibelius playback" manual?
    There should be a solution for your problems.

    Oceanview, an empty instance of Vienna Ensemble takes about 20 MB RAM.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I think I figured out why the violins weren't going back to Sostenuto. I was using Violins I and II instead of Violins 1 and 2 in the Sibelius setup. This seems to have fixed it. Now they go from Legato to Sus with no problems. -Peter
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO
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    @pscart said:

    I think I figured out why the violins weren't going back to Sostenuto. I was using Violins I and II instead of Violins 1 and 2 in the Sibelius setup. This seems to have fixed it. Now they go from Legato to Sus with no problems. -Peter
     

    Peter, can you explain why this is? What is the difference between Violins I and 1?

    (This is rather frustrating - how is the user supposed to know that this difference in stave will be significant?)
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    P
    Oceanview, I wish I could explain it, but that's just how it is. I saw it in a previous post by Andi and it seemed to have fixed the problem. I have encountered a problem regarding dynamics now. Andi, When I instantiate a hairpin crescendo from say piano to forte, the slider on the vienna ensemble control, whether it is a volume or velocity crossfade, does not move smoothy from one dynamic to the next but rather moves almost not at all, then jumps quickly to forte, thus sounding very abrupt and jarring. Any ideas why this may bei? Thank you in advance. Is there a remedy for this behavior, perhaps a way of smoothing out the dynamics? I am not happy with the crescendos and decrescendos. Also, if I do something like a crescendo underneath 8 eighth notes the slider jumps and resets and behaves quite strangely. All and all the effects here are not very musical. -Peter Scartabello
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Peter!

    For dynamic changes Sibelius sends CC11 (MIDI Control Change 11) values. By default these values trigger the Vienna Instruments expression slider. During sustained notes with dynamic changes, the volume should change a bit, but the timbre will not. In order to get more realistic crescendi and diminuendi you can do the following: Go to the Vienna Instruments Perform page. Activate Velocity X-Fade. Then click on Map Control. Now set the source for Expression to none. Then go to Velocity crossfader and select ControlChange/Controller 11 as source. This way, you also reduce the overall dynamic range of an instrument. Don't forget to save your playback configuration in Sibelius after that.
    (This will not work for drums, percussion and cymbals, because CC11 is not implemented for these instruments in the Sound Set. Lots of the percussion sounds don't blend well when crossfaded.)

    Additionally to this you can edit the playback behaviour of hairpins with Sibelius. Select the hairpin and change the behaviour of it in the Properties window under Playback/Hairpin. For details take a look at the Sibelius manual.

    In some cases it might also help to change the Sibelius espressivo setting to "Poco Espressivo" or "Senza Espressivo". You can find that in the Play/Performance menu.

    Best,
    Andi 

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • P
    P
    Hello Andi, I have already tried using the velocity crossfade as you mentioned. I read through the 'optimizing sibelius' pdf that you mentioned. I will experiment more with the 'Espressivo' stuff. But I am still noticing that the fader for the the vienna ensemble is not moving smoothly, especially when you do a hairpin under 4 eighth notes for example. It seems to be RESETTING on each one, and then, picking up at the velocity it left off on. What am I missing here? -Peter
  • P
    P
    Hey Andi, One more question. Should I have the volume set to CC7? I noticed that sometimes the hairpins control the volume and velocity cross-fade, other times just the velocity cross-fade. Why is this behaving erratically? -Peter
  • P
    P
    Hey Andi, yet another observation. The CC fader for the velocity x-fade is moving up and down rapidly for a hairpin crescendo. The audio effect sounds like a wah or a helicopter rotor if you understand what I'm saying. NOT a smooth transition at all, very jarring. Any idea why this is happening and how I can prevent it. -Peter
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Peter!

    I would leave the Volume slider with CC7. By default this fader is set according to the value you have in your Sibelius mixer and should not be touched by dynamics and hairpins.

    Your problems with hairpins are not normal. They work very smooth on my machine without any up and down jumping. Could it be, that you have added some Sibelius playback Plug-Ins like "Cresc./Dim Playback"? I could imagine that they mess up your playback. You don't need this plug-in for playback with Vienna Ensemble.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
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    P
    I do not have the plug-in's on. I do however have a big ensemble for this project. Could that be affecting it? I have Oboe, Violins 1 and 2. Violas div. Cello div and CB. Can you give me your e-mail? Perhaps I could send you the Sibelius file and the Vienna shell for this project. Thank you. -Peter
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA
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    Hello Peter!

    My e-mail is a.olszewski@vsl.co.at
    If you want to send me your score, please also attach the playback configuration you are using (.xml file and a folder with the same name +data).

    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • P
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    I figured it out. The violins were mistakenly sharing a channel. It seems to be working now. Thanks anyway. However, a quick question. The crescendo's are not going all the way up to the destination dynamic, but slightly under it. It then shifts up to the dynamic when the next note starts. Is there any way to fine tune this? It's very minor, but I was just wondering. Thanks -Peter Scartabello
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    Hey Andi, Just wondering what the most cost efficient way to get more articulations for the strings is. Right now I just have the Vienna Special Edition. I want to get harmonics on the orchestral strings. Will the SE Plus do it for me, or do I have to go up to the big individual collections? -Peter Scartabello
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Peter!

    The SE PLUS would be a good choice to get more articulations for all instruments. Harmonics are also included there. For details take a look at this site:
    http://vsl.co.at/en/211/261/314/1606/1618/596.htm

    If you want to have even more articulations for a specific group of the orchestra, the dedicated libraries (like Orchestral Strings I+II) would be the way to go. You find all the details here:
    http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/352/579/393.htm
    http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/353/586/394.htm

    As for the hairpin question. You can edit the playback behaviour of hairpins with Sibelius. Select the hairpin and change the behaviour of it in the Properties window under Playback/Hairpin.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library