I understand and agree that some special FX / 20th century extended techniques would be great additions, however I'm confused at the want for "clusters." I personally have always found pre-recorded clusters to be very limiting as you are stuck with the recorded notes. Why not build your own clusters out of single notes? 

hi JT3_Jon, rather than simple clusters, perhaps certain tremolo rising clusteral, scratching fx that usually are performed by the strings sections, and other stuff like that. Some of the large Vienna collections, like the appasionata strings do have some clusters, but its not a vast range, unlike everything else that can be found, in all the collections.

Hi hose and JT3_Jon,

Thanks for the input and please rest assured - it is never too late indeed!

Please keep the suggestions coming, we hear you...;-)

Best, Marnix

+1 for VSL "20th century avant-garde fx" library

 Yes, a Fx library from VSL would be a big win, preferably a comprehensive FX lib for the entire orhestra covering all the sections in one collection. That would be something people really would want i think....

I often find myself craving "avant-garde" orchestral effects so I also think this would be a good idea - and FWIW my vote would be for the Orchestral String-sized ensemble when it comes to the strings (although if you go for all the section sizes that would be even better!).

Martin

Yes, I agree. Ideally the fx content will be as a seperate add on according to the BIG collections available. Therfore, if for instance one owns Orchestral Strings 1 and 2, the add ons for those collections can be purchased.

+1

+1

VSL Avant Garde effects for strings, brass and woods would be an absolute godsend! [:|]

 This is one of those requests I asked for 4 years ago, and then once every year since [:D]

When I first sugested it Ligeti was alive and lived in Vienna! What a match! Anyway, obviously this would be a really cool (and needed) addition to VSL.

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

Christian, rest assured that we discussed the possibilities of recording contemporary techniques and cinematic orchestral FX since Day One of the Vienna Symphonic Library. The main obstacle: Where should we start, where could we stop? - There is no more or less canonical list containg the typical playing styles, like you could compile it for those classical techniques. It would almost necessarily lead to the typical situation where a few (very few) people would be highly satisfied, while a disgruntled majority would write in every forum how badly VSL failed! ;-)

Wow - you really think that's how it would play out, given your 'passion in every detail'? Also, I fail to see how that is different from any other instruments or say the choir. I mean for all recordings your deide stuff like ranges, layers, articulations (like not recording Legato for Appasionata double basses). People will always be able to find things that would have done differently or "better" yet most of your users are very happy... Hell I love your products, and love my epic horns - but I could still find things I would have changed or done differently.

DG - good point.

@DG said:

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

I totally understand the situation, but as far as I know, there already where other times, when players had to sit for recording sessions in order to upgrade a collection. Regarding to what Dietz mentioned, I think once VSL sets up a program of what fx are mostly used and therefore are mostly required, it will be a good start. After all, unlike all the other libraries articulations, these will be additional fx that will be used as a sort of decoration, sparsely. Usually in other libraries similiar fx are added next to all the other stuff. VSL user will have the privilge to purchase these fx seperately, and in a much more neat, categorical way... as always[:)] And in my humble opinion, these are a few of other things that makes VSL above the rest of the market. [;)]

@DG said:

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

 Well, sure...but Project Sam booked an entire orchestra and recorded some ensembles and a bunch of Fx, i dont see why that shouldnt work out for VSL?

@DG said:

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

 Well, sure...but Project Sam booked an entire orchestra and recorded some ensembles and a bunch of Fx, i dont see why that shouldnt work out for VSL?

@DG said:

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

 Well, sure...but Project Sam booked an entire orchestra and recorded some ensembles and a bunch of Fx, i dont see why that shouldnt work out for VSL?

i´m not sure that "people" in general think they would get such a product at the price of a download solo triangle (i don´t). vsl cinematic effects would (or, imo, should) be a "pro" product, meaning a product that is used for earning money.  there are some cinematic fx-libraries on the market (including project sam´s symphobia), but i assume some of us users would like to have a vsl-quality (or to put it better, thus not insulting project sam: silent stage-quality) fx-library that perfectly blends with our vsl-instruments. this would save us time - and money. 

@DG said:

I'm not sure that I would want to pay for such a product. Imagine booking a whole violin section and just recording a few effects. This would make the product really expensive. It would only make sense to me if it was part of a larger update.

DG

 Well, sure...but Project Sam booked an entire orchestra and recorded some ensembles and a bunch of Fx, i dont see why that shouldnt work out for VSL?

 They are?

I dont see the point on doing anything else but a full blown Fx library, on the level (in terms of content size and price) with their other big collections. And offcourse a few dloadable versions .

yeah Sympho is expensive...but still...VSl isnt exactly known for their low prices either....i dont think anyone would expect such a library to be "cheap"....but a big dvd version (and a few dloable ones as well perhaps) makes sense to me.

Problem with very good fx is that they would almost certainly suffer from over use and would be immediately recognised as "from that Vienna Library" so it could become more caricature sound design rather than composition.

Currently there is a reality TV series running that features a Spectrasonic drum loop "(just press the C key!) who's composition is this? Eric Persing's or the commissioned writer?

Now if VSL provide the raw material to construct the fx well great but straight out the box just add water then try Apple Loops!

Julian