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  • HELP : Conflict between Vienna Ensemble 2, Kontakt2 standalone on a Motu PCI system

    Hello

    I am having a big problem :

    I load K2 standalone, I load my default K2's setup no problem K2 is playing ok to out 25,26,27,28 of my Motu system (24i+2408mkII+1296+2408mk3)
    I load the VE 2, K2 wont play anymore to the Motu's output (it is playing ok on the building line output)

    Offloading VE 2 this does not solve the problem

    To have K2 been able to play again I have to restart my MACPRO 8 core 3 ghz 13GB

    Thanks in advance for your help

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  •  Hi,

    I have tried EXACTLY what you are doing, on a Mac Pro, with Kontakt 2, using MOTU 2408's. Similar problems.

    My feeling is that Kontakt does not like to share a sound driver/device with other software. If have also experienced problems running Kontakt 2 (Standalone) alongside Steinbergs The Grand 2 standalone. 

    Luckily, I had a spare 828, which I plugged in a ran Kontakt from. As it's a different device, Kontakt behaves normally.

    As a workaround, once you have both VE and Kontakt up together, sharing the 424 system, if you just open and close Audio/MIDI setup in Kontakt, things seem to work. 

    It's not VE's fault as far as I can tell.

    B


  • Hi I have no problem to share the same device between Logic and K2 ;)
    Looks like that VE is monopolizing the Motu.

    And what is strange too is that even if you offload VE it does not give back the Motu to K2, I have to reboot !
    Looks it's a VSL problem !
    I Will post the question on the core audio developer list to find out who is culprit :)

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Hi Ben

    Speaking to Paul at VSL, he told me he has been testing that on a G5 with 10.4 and he has no problem
    So it looks like it is either a 10.5 and/or a Macpro issue

    Are you in the states ?

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Hi Ben
    I did more testing yesterday, the culprit is VSL Ensemble when you run it in standalone, no problem is VE is called via Logic

    I have post a bug report and the answer of Paul from VSL is :

    @Another User said:

    Hello Cyril,

    I have to admit, that although this sees to be a big issue for you, itยดs NOT on top of our priorities. We will look into it if we find the time.

    Best regards,

    Paul Steinbauer
    Vienna Symphonic Library

    I hope it will not take too much time ๐Ÿ˜‰ VSL reputation is there ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  •  For my  money, I am sory to have to tell you, it's a Kontakt issue, at least in my experience. I have tested this on both G5's and MP machines. Kontakt is unhappy as a standalone running alongside Steinbergs The Grand 2 also running as standalone, sharing a 2408 driver. VE not involved here - I get crackling on The Grand 2, and/pr total silence from Kontakt 2. Depending on the weather.

    VE, on the other hand, runs as a standalone alongside Cubase 4.1 on a MP sharing a 2408 driver wiothout issue, although, thanks to the fact that I run at 48k, Cubase's own little bug rears it's head as it launches into 44, sometimes disabling everything. But this is a known Cubase issue.

    Obviously, what I am describing is not exactly the same as your system or setup. 

    Ben


  • Hi Ben
    if you get crackling that means that the audio interface is shared, you have problem of cpu power.

    Since them I did more testing, VE K2 and Logic are OK if I load the VE thru Logic
    So it is only when I load VE in standalone that there are problems
    I have spoke to VSL programmer, he is going to have a look ;)
    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic