Human Playback sound-sets for Finale?

[stevesong]

It would be extremely helpful to those who use Finale if there were Vienna Instruments Human Playback sound-sets for Finale. Although the current iteration of Finale is limited to plugins made by Native Instruments, Finale can be used with VE 2 or VE 3 as external playback objects. Why should Sibelius users have all the fun? Perhaps someone at VSL could contact the folks at MakeMusic regarding this possibility?

[Migot]

Stephen, I'm so pleased by your request... I'm also dreaming about that for a while... Hundred per cent agree with your suggestion... Best Alain

[michael.matthews]

Hi VSL team: I also support this request. Please consider it. Michael

[composer22]

I thought this Finale library file was supposed to do that - what I downloaded. But I could not get it to work, so I went back to Sibelius side.

[strytten]

Me too!

[stevesong]

 As far as I can tell, the current iteration of Finale's Human Playback is incompatible with VE and VI because, among other things, regardless of the fact that you set the dynamics for sustaining interests to CC#11 + Key Velocity in Finale's HP preferences dialog box, Finale sends a stream of CC#7 data as well. When  a file  in which  the  preferences were set as described (for CC#11 + Key Velocity) and Finale's HP data was saved to the file and then transferred  to Logic via a MIDI file,  there was no trace of CC#11  data -  - only CC#7 data. To get expressive playback with the current version of Finale one must enter the CC data manually, using the MIDI Tool. 

[andi]

Hello Stephen!

There is already a Human Playback preset file for Finale 2008 at the following location for the Vienna Special Edition:

http://vsl.co.at/en/68/375/460/295.htm

As you have written in your first post, you can only use Vienna Ensemble as an external device, because Finale is limited to Plugins by Native Instruments.

Let's see what future versions of Finale will bring... [;)]

Andi
Vienna Symphonic Library

[michael.matthews]

Hi Andi: At that link I only see Sibelius presets. Thanks, Michael

[stevesong]

 Andi:

Michael's right - - there are only Sibelius soundsets at the link you mentioned.

Thanks,

Stephen 

[andi]

This Finale file was made for the Vienna Special Edition. You can see it only if you have registered the Special Edition.

Best,

Andi

[stevesong]

 Andi:

Thanks for clarifying. Wondering if there any plans for Finale soundsets for other libraries (e.g. solo strings, parts of the Cube, etc.)? It would also be helpful to those of us who do not have the SE to learn what you did - - to provide a model for other libraries.

Thanks,

Stephen 

[andi]

Hello Stephen!

At the moment there are no plans for further human playback settings for Finale, but maybe things will change with Finale 2009.

To avoid confusion I would rather not make the Special Edition file available for everybody, but I can send it to you via email.

Andi

[Migot]

Andi, Could you please publish a short -How to use...?

[michael.matthews]

Hi Andi, I would love to have a copy as well, as I have been working with Finale and VI for some time. Thanks! Michael

[strytten]

Hi Andi,

I request a copy of the human playback setting file for VSL Spec. Ed.. By the way, I thought about buying the spec. ed. when it came out, but I own about 2/3 of its content already, so it wasn't cost effective. It would be very cool if Vienna would consider lower pricing on Spec. Ed. for customers who already own a portion of the content.

Thanks,

Steve

[andi]

Steve and Michael: I have sent you a mail.

Alain: Here is the "how to use" for the Finale 2008 file from the User area. These instructions will be in the same zip-file as the Finale file soon.

This is an empty Finale file with Human Playback Settings for the Vienna Special Edition. It does not work with other collections. These settings will take care of Keyswitches automatically, when you change articulations.

1. To communicate with the Vienna Ensemble, Finale needs a virtual MIDI device (like IAC on Mac or MIDI Yoke on PC). If you don't have it installed yet, do that first. If you have Vienna Ensemble on a different machine, you don't need the Virtual device. In this case you can work with your hardware MIDI connection.
2. Open the file Empty_VSL-SE-Playback.MUS with Finale.
3. Create the systems you need and make instrument and channel settings in the instrument list.
4. In MIDI/Audio go to MIDI Setup and choose your (virtual) MIDI device.
5. From the MIDI/Audio menu activate MIDI Playback (instead of VST Playback)
6. Open Vienna Ensemble, make the same channel settings as in Finale and load the matrices of the instruments from your score.

Best wishes,

Andi

[Migot]

Andi, could you please define exactly what means -change articulations- from Finale...? There is many ways... Thanks

[andi]

Alain, sorry if that was not clear enough.
I will give you an example:
When you write a slur, the Human Playback settings will send the corresponding keyswitch, so that Vienna Ensemble switches to a legato patch. When you write a staccato mark, it will send the keyswitch for the staccato patch. ....

Andi

[Migot]

andi, Thanks ... i'll try that...

[Migot]

andi, I do not know why but it does not work here...??? Do I need to load special library in finale...? Also I Final KS are starting on C0 and in Ve KS are starting on C1 ??? Or I'm misunderstand something ???