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  • Bus, SEND, Reverb...confused in VSL Ensemble 2

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    Ok, I am a bit confused by how the bus architecture works under ensemble 2 I wanted to set up a route to a BUS that would control a reverb FX. I would then route some of my VIOLIN section signal there. I could adjust that BUS input signal using the SEND fader in the VIOLIN. I could then adjust the violin DRY signal to the MAIN using the instruments primary fader. As well, the REVERB BUS primary fader could feed into MAIN out. Doesnt seem to work that way as the VIOLIN fader seems to adjust the signal to the BUS input. So it seems to me SEND is after the primary feeder on a channel? 1) Does anyone have a map of the mixer architecture? 2) How should a reverb be setup on the mixer to have control of specific instruments to a single reverb instance so you can adjust the depth? 3) Any other thread on this forum I should look at? Documentation somewhere? I'm trying this in Sibelius Any help thanks!
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    The answer to your first question would assume that the send is pre fader. I think that it could be post, so unless this has changed in an update, then you are out of luck. There are solutions that I could suggest, but first of all I would need to know your system specs, reverb plug that you want to use, and number of depths that you are trying to get.

    DG
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    I'll also note that for me when I add a new instrument it seems to kill the Master Bus output. I've been routing each instrument out of a hardware out and each reverb send out of another hardware pair. The wet/dry level consist of mixing these two signals, and overall volume I have to take care of within the instrument.


    If I could offer three suggestions to improve VE2, it would be to have a pre/post switch on the sends, to have the sends panable (or have the option of mono sends) -- for example to send basses to the mono LFE channel, and third to improve the stability of the Master Bus.


    I'm running it on a G5, by the way. DId I hear somewhere that it's a little more durable on an Intel Mac?


    I'm really loving the interface. Big improvement over my old EXS Opus 1.
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    I have MBP only. The reverb I am using is the AU matrix just as a reference. I want to be able to set up the reverb in such a way that the wet / dry mixes can be controlled by the input faders - via a instruments fader or via a bus fader. I dont have a sequencer. Waiting for DP 6. I also compose using Sibelius with this. Sounds like all are post fade feeds to reverb or to sends. I would imagine 2 sends to a bus from the instrument input. The instrumenet input would out to a hw input that is not connected (dummy). One bus would control the dry signal to the mix feeder. Another bus would feed a reverb and would be dummied out. I think that is similar to what you are doing John? Is this the normal way people do it? I'm not sure how people who want to control depth with reverbs set it up normally. The video INTRO online at VSL went by too fast. In it they controlled wet dry to main reverb and set up an additional reverb for percussion with more wet signal. Can anyone elaborate on how reverbs should be utilized and set up strategically and tactically?
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    Greetings,

    I use Perfect Space convoluted reverb with Sonar and I insert the reverb in the Bus fader.  I then set the power panning on the instrument fader to where I want it.  I then save the settings in VE, record, listen to the track, readjust if needed while the track is playing, and save again.  I'm not saying that my way is the way reverb should be "strategically and tactically" utilizied but it works for me and since you asked...
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    Yeah, looks like you need a sequencer to SEND to a BUS prefader. Otherwise you need to create a seperate BUS for every instrument IN. Watching the Chris demo video online, I am now wondering about EQ, COMPRESSION, and other adjustments to the INPUT signal of the instrument IN. I guess I will have to peruse the forum a bit for those answers. NOTE: when people talk of wash out or muddiness, I have no idea what this actually sounds like - min or max.
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    I made a change this morning and created an "LFE Bus" that I then panned all the way to the right and sent out of Hardware output 3-4, which in my setup is Center-Sub. This sends signal only to my subwoofer. In effect, I created a mono send by sending to a stereo bus first and panning it. In Pro Tools you can send any signal to a mono input or you could pan the send separately from the channel, but sending to a bus first is a perfectly acceptable work-around. The only instruments I send directly are the basses, timpani, tuba and contrabassoon.

    There is a similar solution to the pre/post send problem. Assign the main output of an instrument to a dead output (in my case the Master Bus is dead - don't know why), then using sends send to both your main outputs (1-2) and your reverb channel (in my case 7-8) that sends to an 100% wet reverb. Now you can blend the amount of reverb using the send levels, and the main volume fader controls the master volume of both.

    Again with the ProTools analogy, there are many mixers who do all their output routing through sends so that, for example, the same track can go either to a dialogue stem or to a telephone filter or a PFX track or whatever. I don't work this way, as I find it unduly confusing, but I think I'll redo my VE template this way.