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  4. Will Altiverb become obsolete with MIR?
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    If AV requires a dedicated PC, then it's out of the question for me. I would rather spend my pennies on a Bricasti! However, I don't care for real-time rendering: I always work without reverb during mock-ups, and add it at the end - easier to hear the articulations this way. Imagine you find a good setup with MIR, you know it sounds good because you tested it on exports, then you wouldn't need a dedicated PC.

    I agree with Fritz: paying more for MIR and use it for any instruments! Using MIR with VSL and then trying to find a corresponding patch with Altiverb for other non-VSL VST's seems awkward! Specially if the heart of MIR comes from AudioEase technology.

    (I wonder how much it will costs, with all these years in development, the relative small number of end users with only VSL VI's... but like always, VSL will come with an elegant answer [H])

  • D
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    Dietz has previously said that MIR will not be VSL exclusive; just that you won't get all the advantages with other samples.

    DG
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    If that's the case, it's fantastic! What does "won't get all the advantages" mean? Mhh... But then the initial question remains: will Altiverb become obsolete with the release of MIR? The IR format probably won't be compatible between both apps, and AV's list of IR's is long and exhaustive. So those using it for sound design or post-pro will certainly still use it. As for the others?

    The MusikMesse (2008) would be a wonderful time to announce the release of VE3 and MIR... 

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    @mon_art said:

    If that's the case, it's fantastic! What does "won't get all the advantages" mean? Mhh... But then the initial question remains: will Altiverb become obsolete with the release of MIR? The IR format probably won't be compatible between both apps, and AV's list of IR's is long and exhaustive. So those using it for sound design or post-pro will certainly still use it. As for the others?

    The MusikMesse (2008) would be a wonderful time to announce the release of VE3 and MIR... 

    Obviously Dietz is the best person to answer this, but I think I remember him saying that VI would send some sort of Meta data to MIR, which obviously won't be available with other samples.

    I think that AV will still be very useful for sound design, and I have yet to hear anything from MIR, so I'm not even thinking about it ATM.

    DG
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     Great! That makes everything quite clear: In case you make big use of sounddesign, unusual rooms etc. you will still take a great advantage of altiverb, even if you intend to buy mir. 

    If you use it only for some orchestra hall simulations like sidney opera hall, you won't need AV in addition to mir.

    That information is indeed important! It will simply be a consideration of budget: MIR price plus one state of the art PC... could be expensive.

    Fritz. 
  • S
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    Hey Dietz, I don't suppose you could let us hear something that was rendered with MIR, just to give us a little taste?
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    @Another User said:

    Hey Dietz, I don't suppose you could let us hear something that was rendered with MIR, just to give us a little taste?

    Right now I have no new demos at hand which I would consider to be representative. I still have to link you to the early "proof-of-concept"-mixes available in our demo-zone, namely the complete "Pictures at an Exhibition": -> http://vsl.co.at/en/67/3920/4944.vsl

    ... time to get some sleep now ... <zzzzzz>

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Thanks Dietz, I do have one final question. In all the MIR stuff it says that it will have different concert hall IR's, but will you also be releasing any scoring stage IR's?

    If you are, can I suggest two scoring stage IR's that I would love to have

    1) Air Lyndhurst
    2) Abbey Road.


    Thanks!!
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    [quote=Simsy]

    I don't know what the Air policy is, but Abbey road won't allow sampling of the space for convolution reverb purposes.

    DG
  • M
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    Thanks Dietz for the update on MIR! It sounds very exciting and promising, especially if you can use it as a "normal" convo verb. So it's still a few months away, and VE3 will likely be released before, if I read correctly. I wonder at what point you will consider it to be "acceptable" in term of performance: when you can run it at 50% quality in real-time? Another difficult question is the price tag. Since most people are already using other reverbs (AV6, ...) with convincing results, how much would they pay to use MIR instead? That's tough to answer, for sure...

    But what a monster this MIR must be! It probably eats quad-cores at breakfast... [:P]
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    @Another User said:

    But what a monster this MIR must be! It probably eats quad-cores at breakfast...
    Two of them, and an eight-core for dessert! I took a recent quad-core as demo-machine with me to Frankfurt, and we had to scale down the engine to less than 20% of its possibilities to have full resolution (no head/tail separation of the IRs) in realtime.

    But maybe we've found a new way to overcome these enourmous CPU-requirements in a very elegant way, making old-school off-line-rendering more or less unnecessary. Our developers dig into that right now, so it's still a bit uncertain. If we succeed, we will be able to use the MIR in full resolution (the equivalent of around 1.000 single convolutions for each microphone position) close to real time on a machine like to one I mentioned before.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    [:O]So you guys are also involved in quantum computers now?!? After Direct Note Access' announcement, nothing should surprise me anymore, but man...
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    Quoting myself:

    @Another User said:

    Right now I have no new demos at hand which I would consider to be representative. I still have to link you to the early "proof-of-concept"-mixes available in our demo-zone, namely the complete "Pictures at an Exhibition".
    DG was kind enough to point out in a private message that the "Pictures" may not be after everyone's fancy (for example his own 😉 ...), so you may be better off waiting for new, representative mixes using the actual MIR-engine.

    Best,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
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    DietzD
    Melodyne's DNA is a revolution, VSL's MIR is more of an evolution, I'd say. At least, the MIR won't blast the borders of copyrighs and mechanical rights as we knew it up to now.

    And no - no quantum computers here, just good old "think different" :-)
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @DG said:

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    I don't know what the Air policy is, but Abbey road won't allow sampling of the space for convolution reverb purposes.

    DG

     

    What a shame. They should know that the people who can afford to track at Abbey Road...will track at Abbey Road! What I mean is that I don't think their business would suffer as a result of some impulse responses

    I've got it! We need some eccentric artist to infiltrate their studio who has written an all-sweeping sine wave album. 😊

  • K
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    Hi,

    So I'm thinking of getting Altiverb soon to get some nice reverb to my VSL instruments.  Before I do so, is there any hint of an updated word as to when we can expect MIR?  If it's within this year, I may hold off on the Altiverb purchase.

    Many thanks,

    Afshin

     

  • DietzD
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    If you want to work _now_, then get AltiVerb, please. 8-) ... although "within a year" sounds very reasonable to me.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Well Dietz

    Since we are at it...

    ... when do I get my Hallfahne of the most prestigious concert hall on this planet, well known to all record lovers for its wonderful acoustics and venue of choice for great artists, acclaimed for its superior acoustic, for all its classical recordings, a Who's Who of classical music recorded in this Salle: Claudio Arrau, Alfred Brendel, Krystian Zimerman, the Beaux Arts Trio, I Musici, Quarteto Italiano, Henryk Szering, Arthur Grumiaux, Gidon Kremer, Mischa Maisky etc., Martha Argerich recorded the Schumann violin sonatas in this Salle...

      

    http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/AngeloClematide/RecordingRoomOne_2-1.jpg

    http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/AngeloClematide/RecordingRoomOne-1.jpg

    http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/AngeloClematide/RecordingRoomOne_plan-1.jpg

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    Thanks for the update Dietz, In reading about MIR which sounds real exciting. I was to looking into the Altiverb and 8-core macpro. Then i started reading more about the MIR now I'm having second thoughts about getting either of them now. I know people say if you need to get a new system now, get it. It would help out allot to have a 8-core, but i dont need it to live, i can wait. But if i dont have to and can get the best of both world that would be nice too. I see the team is working hard on the code with getting the cpu cycles down. But knowing how 8-core are and how things change so fast. Do you think with VSL ,MIR,VE3, and other reverbs and DAW that 8-cores will handle the MIR. Or should i just wait to see if those fantom 16-cores will come out. Even at that, will that 16-core hoarse be enough to handle MIR? Im a person who can wait. But if MIR is eating 8-cores for ice cream. Then i think i better walk away from the window and come back later. What do you think. Also what system are you test the MIR on. And how much Liquid Helium does it use.
  • DietzD
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    [i]Sorry for the late reply, I'm recovering from a one-week vacation 😉 ... [/i]

    @CplusE said:

    [...] Do you think with VSL ,MIR,VE3, and other reverbs and DAW that 8-cores will handle the MIR. Or should i just wait to see if those fantom 16-cores will come out. [...]
    When everything turns out the way we intend it, our programming team has cut the demands of the engine by a factor of eight to ten in its most recent incarnation - turning the MIR from a CPU-cycle-guzzling monster into an efficient workhorse.

    That said, it never hurts to have as much power at hand as possible! 8-)

    Best,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library