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@mirabile said:
4 French Horns in Unison are already available in the Brass I package of the cube or Special edition.
Didn't notice the French portion in these yet... anway, they're way down on my list and it's not a thing VSL is considering too hard at the moment, I know that 😉
Cheers,
PolarBear
actually, this has been buggin me for a while, so i wanted to throw my suggestion into the ring for hopeful articulations in the future.
i would love to see a greater number of gradations in the Dynamic patches... crescendoes and diminuendoes... I often find myself stuck in a tempo that makes a 3 second cres too short, but a 6 second one too long... It seems the lengths they chose to include on some instruments were chosen rather randomly (keep in mind i only have the Orch Strings 1 & 2 to refer to). But, for example, in the Violas, you have a 1.5 sec and 3 sec with medium dynamic; a 3 sec and 6 sec with strong dynamics; and then 2 sec and 4 sec dynamics, but with no vib.... so what if i wanted a 4 second medium dynamic crescendo WITH vibrato? im outta luck.
I know, i know.. there are plenty of ways to "work around" such an issue. But one of the main selling points of all VSL is its pristine realism, and having to set up a second instrument for ONE note which i then have to trigger early and then volume-fade in... well, it would just be nice to have a broader amount of dynamic times available.
So my wish-list would include 1 to 6 second dynamic patches, at 1/2 second intervals (1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, etc.) for both medium AND strong dynamics.. as well as the same setup for no_Vibs, con sordinos, etc.... i guess im asking for a lot there... hehe. oh well, just wanted to give my 2.5 cents' worth...
> michael
It occured to me that the numerical enumeration might not be very pleasant to read. I think I should update that to a list that can be viewed by sections, as well as also taking in the request for more dynamics. Well the order shouldn't be read too literally, but I also thought that some combinations should be rather packaged together. Of course the best solution would be individually downloadable articulations, that maybe require a registration for a certain VSL library Std/Ext (hope not, but let's face it, these are not substantial additions to smaller packages, yet they may be a good teaser into the VSL world).
All time favorites
- Choirs
- MIR impulses
- Percussion - one never can have enough I think (at any time)
- Soundtrack specific stuff for all sections
- Solo vocalists
Strings
- Single desk Violins (2 in unison)
- Single desk Violas and Celli (2 in unison)
- 2nd Solo Violin (with different timbre, individual string stuff)
- 2nd Solo Viola and Cello
- More legato layers
- More lyrical, expressive articulations
- More dynamics with more different lengths to choose from
- Con sordino Chamber Strings
- Con sordino Solo Strings
- Con sordino articulations for the new instruments from above
- Flautando/non-vibrato legatos
- Matching all types of Strings in articulation availibility (same articulations for any type of ensemble or solo instrument)
Woodwinds
- 2nd Bassoon
- Clarinet in A (solo and/or pair)
- Ethnic instruments like Duduk and others
Brass
- 2 Double Horns (in unison, also with different mutes perhaps)
- 4 Double Horns (in unison)
- Bb Trumpet
- 2 Bb Trumpets (in unison)
- Alto Sax Horn in Eb
- 3 Trumpets revisited
Non-orchestral stuff (most only mentioned 1 time so far)
- Electric Guitar (strat or jazzmaster, DI signal)
- Electric Bass (DI signal)
- Acoustic Bass (the fretted, guitar style body type)
- Steel String Acoustic (a Martin D-18v perhaps!?)
- Mandolin
- Jazz Drum Kit (superior to others availible)
- Surbahar (maybe sitar)
- Chromatic Harmonica
- G. Silberman Organ (well, maybe that stands for "just another one please")
- Big-Band articulations where suited (Saxes, Winds, Brass)
- Baroque Strings, Woodwinds and Brass
- Noise noise noise - player coughs, sheet turning, audience whispers and rumbling, applauses ;)
Did I miss a request in that list?
PolarBear
I agree with that post about total uniformity of cresendo/diminuendos and more of them. Though I know that is incredibly difficult to record [:'(]
Polar bear - again, I agree with most of your list and am not trying to constantly contradict, however - what is this with Epic 3 trumpets? We already have 3 trumpets. make them play louder? Hmm... they already sound pretty awesome. And if that is not enough go to the Epic Trumpets (i.e., trumpets a6). Also, we have had 4 unison french horns since the 1st Edition. [:@]
Well I edited the list meanwhile...
Anyway it's just a personal thing that I think the trumpets a6 are being far superior in sound to a3 as well as the solo (since 1st Ed.), for example also have a look at the other's guy thread who's struggling with this brass right now. It's that I know from live experience it could sound better, but I also know that it is hard to get there recording-wise. We had 4 Viennese Horns since 1st Edition, not French ones... should I dig up all the posts about their "nasal" qualitites from the past? It's a list of suggestions would could be done *better* than it already exists. It's not my part to decide which would be done ultimately, but I could suggest what I'd favor if I had to choose.
Cheers,
PolarBear
@William said:
No, a French horn at least in America does not refer to a horn played in France. That is funny! Because I am a horn player. The French horn is not French. Just as the English Horn is not English
And we always say French Horn in English; English Horn in French. [;)]
DG
Is it that you just want to hear me saying "double horn" [:#] or for another try to contradict me [li] in every post on another thread?
Or a hint that the horn is a godly instrument that shouldn't be questioned? The player blows the horn and only god knows what will come out of it?
I'll edit the post accordingly to the answer on this... [;)]
PolarBear
@PolarBear said:
Did I miss a request in that list?
PolarBear
All very well and necessary; but isn't anybody else interested in a dedicated bank of voices, specifically detailed (as the orchestral and extra-orchestral instruments are) in variety and articulation? Doesn't anyone else feel the absence of versatile vocal soloists to be crippling, or at least very limiting to what can be achieved in symphonic electronics? Do the composers in this forum miss some colourful, but relatively tangential and marginal, ethnic instruments more than a DVD with the complete range of vocal soloists with words and choirs with words, as fully articulated and varied as possible? Especially the soloists who are not offered by anyone as far as I know... If I am the only one who sees this as a priority before additional instruments are considered (I am not referring to enriching and perfecting what is already there - subdividing strings, etc., that I agree comes first), forgive the intrusion.
A Choir is already in the pipeline for release later this year. Other than this, we know nothing about VSL choral plans.
However, whilst I agree that vocals will be very useful, there are missing articulations for existing instruments that are far more important IMO. Let's be able to program properly for existing instruments before we look for others.
DGMany people have already talked about having a choir done, so that is nothing new. It would of course be very desirable. Mainly because legato is crucial and VSL's legato applied to voices would at last allow a realistic sound instead of the weird disconnected single note samples that are universal. I am much less concerned about some spoken word utility than simply being able to use an actual slurred legato wordless choir that is as good as the horns, Appassionata, etc
Like I said in my message, priority one is to enrich and perfect what is there already, so I take it we are in agreement. I really hope that VSL masters are working on a utility for words, unless they have decided that their main clients are movie, TV and game composers. I only took the time to re-post my thoughts on voices because I see that whole pages have been written about the rarest of instruments while leaving out, what at least I consider it to be, an infinitely more essential "family of instruments". And William - "Many people have already talked about having a choir done, so that is nothing new", I am aware of that, I have the East West myself, I was proposing that specialists put quality time into developing an as-comprehensive-as-possible DVD of solo vocalists; to my knowledge this kind of project/discussion hasn't exactly flooded the relevant fora. I respect your indifference to the idea but not everybody has access to great tenors hitting Ds for their pieces...@DG said:
Let's be able to program properly for existing instruments before we look for others.