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    @Guy said:

    but I'd like to have solo con sordino violin, sometimes it's nice to be able to use that expressive vibrato doubling the ensemble con sordino.

    Thats it!!!

    I desperatly wait for that since years!!

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    I second that. Thats a field VSL really might excel and inspire the users.

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    oooh, I hope VSL is listening! Lots of requests for contemporary/extended techniques... Nice!

    I'd also like the con sord violin solo. Rihm opens his Jagden Und Formen with a fairly aggressive violin duet, played con sord, and it has the most unusual effect. We're accustomed to muted strings being rather subdued, but this aggressive writing for muted solo strings works really well - a strange masking of the colour which is hard to place, on first listening. Cool. Of course, we have to keep in mind that sampling something as general as con sord requires sampling _all_ of the various articulations again, with the mute on... Loads of work...

    On the other hand, sampling of certain extended techniques would just be a matter of covering the various dynamic levels - not a huge job at all!
    So come on guys, let's see it as a downloadable product. It's a perfect opportunity for downloadable "add-ons" to some of the major libraries. Since they may not be _huge_ sellers, this would save some cost on packaging and distribution...

    J.
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    The articulations I am most interested in are as follows: 1. Con sordino solo and chamber strings. 2. More dynamic layers for legatos, sustains and dynamics. 3. 2 French Horns in unison. 4. Clarinet in A. 5. 2nd Bassoon. 6 Trumpet in Bb. 7. 2nd solo violin, viola and cello. 8 2 Violins, Violas, and 2 cellos in unison. Regards Mirabile
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    Hmm... the 2 French Horns in unison is an interesting comment! I'm with you here... now with 2nd Bassoon, A-Clarinet and Bb-Trumpet that makes the list quite long and hard to set in proper order ;) Therefore I'll adjust my suggestion to this, taking the others into account:

    1. Choir

    2. MIR impulses

    3. Single desk Violins (2 in unison)

    4. 2nd Solo Violin (with different timbre)

    5. 2 French Horns (in unison, also with different mutes perhaps) 

    6. Single desk Violas and Celli (2 in unison)

    7. More legato layers 

    8. 2nd Bassoon 

    9. Clarinet in A 

    10. Con sordino Solo and Chamber Strings and also where missing in the above

    11. Epic Trumpets

    12. Bb Trumpet 

    13. 4 French Horns (in unison)

    14. 2nd Solo Viola and Cello

    Wow, that's quite a list already! I guess the order has to be changed slightly so that this will hopefully not end up in a shopping nightmare ;)

    All the best,
    PolarBear
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    Polar Bear

    4 French Horns in Unison are already available in the Brass I package of the cube or Special edition.

    I am also after a set of deep bells.  That is a set between C2 and C4.  I have not seen these available in any sampled library.

    Regards

    Mirabile
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    I wouldn't mind seeing the 6 trumpets split into 2's. And the 8 or 4 horns split into 2's. I would like the trumpets to be all Bb's.
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    @PaulR said:

    I wouldn't mind seeing the 6 trumpets split into 2's. And the 8 or 4 horns split into 2's.
     

    I totally second Horns and Trumpets in pairs of 2. That would be very, véry useful.
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    Next year's wish

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    We'll be ready to sing this:

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    The Twelve Days of Christmas

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    On the first day of Christmas my true love came to me......

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    4 french horns, 3 second violins, 2 solo muted violin( and the rest) and a partridge in a pear tree.
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    Guy, Really nice... Alain LeBlond, Québec
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    Yes that is excellent Guy - my verse would go:

    ...two player desks, 2nd violin, more string mutes,  and a tam-tam with a big roll. [G]
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    @mirabile said:

    4 French Horns in Unison are already available in the Brass I package of the cube or Special edition.

    Didn't notice the French portion in these yet... anway, they're way down on my list and it's not a thing VSL is considering too hard at the moment, I know that 😉

    Cheers, 

    PolarBear
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    Polarbear, that's how the original lyrics of the song goes, I just kept the 4 french horns part to make a connection with the song. Remember? 3 french horns, 2 turtle doves....
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    Well, I guess it's not airing on german radio's ;) so nope, don't know it, but I could well imagine it being lyric and therefore just meant the answer being directed at mirabile and not your lyrical achievement ;)

    PolarBear 
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     actually, this has been buggin me for a while, so i wanted to throw my suggestion into the ring for hopeful articulations in the future.

    i would love to see a greater number of gradations in the Dynamic patches... crescendoes and diminuendoes... I often find myself stuck in a tempo that makes a 3 second cres too short, but a 6 second one too long... It seems the lengths they chose to include on some instruments were chosen rather randomly (keep in mind i only have the Orch Strings 1 & 2 to refer to). But, for example, in  the Violas, you have a 1.5 sec and 3 sec with medium dynamic; a 3 sec and 6 sec with strong dynamics; and then 2 sec and 4 sec dynamics, but  with no vib.... so what if i wanted a 4 second medium dynamic crescendo WITH vibrato? im outta luck.

    I know, i know.. there are plenty of ways to "work around" such an issue. But one of the main selling points of all VSL is its pristine realism, and having to set up a second instrument for ONE note which i then have to trigger early and then volume-fade in... well, it would just be nice to have a broader amount of dynamic times available.

    So my wish-list would include 1 to 6 second dynamic patches, at 1/2 second intervals (1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, etc.) for both medium AND strong dynamics.. as well as the same setup for no_Vibs, con sordinos, etc.... i guess im asking for a lot there... hehe. oh well, just wanted to  give my 2.5 cents' worth...

    > michael 
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    Excellent suggestion Michael. If every instrument was uniform with each having all the same lengths available one wouldn't have to spend lots of time in work-arounds.
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    Very nice list PB. I also vote for bagpipes. Aren't they in b flat only? The second solo Cello for me is needed that is similar to the current recording but a slightly less resonant upper range for doubling and such. Cheers, Gary Brandt Hi Dietz.
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    It occured to me that the numerical enumeration might not be very pleasant to read. I think I should update that to a list that can be viewed by sections, as well as also taking in the request for more dynamics. Well the order shouldn't be read too literally, but I also thought that some combinations should be rather packaged together. Of course the best solution would be individually downloadable articulations, that maybe require a registration for a certain VSL library Std/Ext (hope not, but let's face it, these are not substantial additions to smaller packages, yet they may be a good teaser into the VSL world).

    All time favorites

    - Choirs

    - MIR impulses

    - Percussion - one never can have enough I think (at any time)

    - Soundtrack specific stuff for all sections

    - Solo vocalists 

    Strings 

    - Single desk Violins (2 in unison)

    - Single desk Violas and Celli (2 in unison)

    - 2nd Solo Violin (with different timbre, individual string stuff)

    - 2nd Solo Viola and Cello

    - More legato layers

    - More lyrical, expressive articulations

    - More dynamics with more different lengths to choose from 

    - Con sordino Chamber Strings

    - Con sordino Solo Strings

    - Con sordino articulations for the new instruments from above

    - Flautando/non-vibrato legatos 

    - Matching all types of Strings in articulation availibility (same articulations for any type of ensemble or solo instrument) 

    Woodwinds

    - 2nd Bassoon 

    - Clarinet in A (solo and/or pair)

    - Ethnic instruments like Duduk and others

    Brass 

    - 2 Double Horns (in unison, also with different mutes perhaps)

    - 4 Double Horns (in unison)

    - Bb Trumpet

    - 2 Bb Trumpets (in unison)

    - Alto Sax Horn in Eb

    - 3 Trumpets revisited 

    Non-orchestral stuff (most only mentioned 1 time so far)

    - Electric Guitar (strat or jazzmaster, DI signal)

    - Electric Bass (DI signal)

    - Acoustic Bass (the fretted, guitar style body type)

    - Steel String Acoustic (a Martin D-18v perhaps!?)

    - Mandolin

    - Jazz Drum Kit (superior to others availible)

    - Surbahar (maybe sitar)

    - Chromatic Harmonica

    - G. Silberman Organ (well, maybe that stands for "just another one please") 

    - Big-Band articulations where suited (Saxes, Winds, Brass) 

    - Baroque Strings, Woodwinds and Brass

    - Noise noise noise - player coughs, sheet turning, audience whispers and rumbling, applauses ;) 

    Did I miss a request in that list?

    PolarBear 
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    I agree with that post about total uniformity of cresendo/diminuendos and more of them.  Though I know that is incredibly difficult to record  [:'(]

       Polar bear - again, I agree with most of your list and am not trying to constantly contradict, however -  what is this with Epic 3 trumpets? We already have 3 trumpets.  make them play louder?  Hmm... they already sound pretty awesome.   And if that is not enough go to the Epic Trumpets (i.e., trumpets a6).  Also, we have had 4 unison french horns since the 1st Edition.  [:@]
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    Well I edited the list meanwhile...

    Anyway it's just a personal thing that I think the trumpets a6 are being far superior in sound to a3 as well as the solo (since 1st Ed.), for example also have a look at the other's guy thread who's struggling with this brass right now. It's that I know from live experience it could sound better, but I also know that it is hard to get there recording-wise. We had 4 Viennese Horns since 1st Edition, not French ones... should I dig up all the posts about their "nasal" qualitites from the past? It's a list of suggestions would could be done *better* than it already exists. It's not my part to decide which would be done ultimately, but I could suggest what I'd favor if I had to choose.

    Cheers, 

    PolarBear 
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    No, a French horn at least in America does not refer to a horn played in France.  That is funny!   Because I am a horn player.  The French horn is not French.  Just as the English Horn is not English

    And the Bassett Horn is not a hound.