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  • Considering which Mac Pro to get to run Vienna Special Edition and Logic 7. Would love some opi...

    Hey Guys.

    I've decided to get a Mac Pro to run Logic 7 and the Vienna Special Edition. I'm considering three different possibilities and I would really like some opinions.

    Firstly I'm thinking of getting a Mac Pro with Two 2.66 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon and 4GB Ram (4x1GB).

    Secondly I'm considering getting a Mac Pro with Two 2.00 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon and 8GB Ram (8X1GB).

    I'm thinking that having a Two 2.00 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon would be awesome. It would be twice as powerful as what I have now and I don't mind track freezing on Logic. However, although I think I could be very happy with 4GB ram (and I can always upgrade later) I'm thinking the 8GB ram would be really useful in the long run. However the extra 4Gb is like £640 (and it might be cheaper to upgrade later).

    I was wondering, for those of you who are composing big orchestral scores, if you are comfortable using 4GB ram or if you find 8GB to make a huge difference. I tend to do a lot of big orchestral pieces and with the projects I got coming up in the future I got a feeling they are only going to get bigger. 

    There is also a third option which is a lot cheaper currently then the top two. Someone on ebay is selling a Mac Pro with Two 2.00 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon and 4GB Ram. I could get it way cheaper then the other two machines, the only problem is that I'm concerned about the memory configuration which is 4 X 512mb + 2X 1GB.

    I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the Vienna Instruments work better when all the memory slots are filled with the same amount of ram (i.e. 4 x 1GB).

    I would really like some opinions on this.

    Thanks in advance.

    All the best,
    Edwin


  • New Mac Pro's rumoured for January. Even if you buy a used one the launch of a new model affects prices (downward!) Memory has to be loaded in pairs for it to wok best - looks like this machine is loaded in pairs. For comprehensive arrangements you need as much RAM as you can possibly afford. Consider 4GB to be at the bottom of the acceptable range by the time you've got a few other processors booted. It's cheaper to add RAM at a latter stage than it is to buy a faster processor. So the faster machine would be a better long term bet. Julian

  • Edwin:

    Before purchasing a new MacPro, I'd consider waiting until after te MacWorld Expo on January 15. It is extremely likely that Apple will announce an upgraded line of MacPro's at this conference. It is also likely that these new machines will have the new Intel "Penryn" processors (and motherboards designed for these processors) - - processors that Intel claims are significantly faster than the processors that inhabit the current generation of MacPros.  What this means is that, if you wait, you can either buy one of the new machines or that you will likely be able to purchase one of the current generation of machines at a significant discount after the new machines are released.

    CPU power is extremely important so getting the fastest machine you can afford is highly desirable - - and will extend the useful life of the machine.

    One extremely important factor that I have mentioned elsewhere on these forums is DO NOT PURCHASE RAM from Apple. Apple charges incredibly exorbitant prices - - far in excess of the market prices for RAM. Nonetheless Apple does not manufacture RAM, it is simply a reseller of RAM made by various of the few companies that actually manufacture it (most commonly Apple sells Samsung RAM).

    To get an idea of how exorbitant Apple's prices are I've prepared the following chart showing Apple's prices and the prices of one reputable third party vendor, Other World Computing, (http://www.macsales.com/) for similar RAM configurations (please note that I am using OWC as an example, it is not the only 3rd party vendor with prices like these):

    Apple                                                                        Other World Computing

    4GB (4 X 1 GB) $699                                                  4GB (4 X 1GB) $230 (Apple Certified)/ $198 (Apple Qualified)

    8GB (8 X 1 GB) $1699                                                8GB (8 X 1GB) $450 (Apple Certified) / ($396 (Apple Qualified)

    8 GB (4 X 2GB) $2099                                                8GB (4 X 2GB) $580) (Apple Certified / $320 (Apple Qualified)

    16 GB (8 X 2GB)$4499                                              16GB ((8 X 2GB) $1130 (Apple Certified) / $630 (Apple Qualified)

     (Other World Computing defines the difference between "Apple Certified" and "Apple Qualified" as follows:

    Apple Certifed:

    "Premium Quality, Apple Certified Modules, backed by OWC Lifetime Advance
    Replacement Warranty.


    Netlist supplies these same modules to Apple for use in systems factory configured with additional memory. Equipped with Netlist's unique Apple Qualified Heat-Spreader, these modules come off the same line as the module produced for Apple and are subject to the additional post-production certification testing which Apple requires."

    Apple Qualified:

    "Premium Quality, fully tested Modules with Apple Qualified Heat-Spreader and backed by OWC Lifetime Advance Replacement Warranty.

    These premium modules fully meet and/or exceed all Apple specifications for use in the Mac Pro Quad Xeon for a liftetime of high-performance, reliable operation. Use of the best major brand components and a true Apple Qualified Heat-Spreader ensure you can utilize these modules with full confidence.")

    As noted above, there are other reputable vendors beside Other World Computing which I cite here because I - - and other Mac users I know - -have used their RAM for years and never had any problems. Some of these are RamJet at www.ramjet.com. Transintl at http://www.transintl.com/, etc.

    Because Apple is charging up to 8 times the going price for a widely available commodity, it appears to propogandize against 3rd party vendors. Don't believe the propoganda. One of he main differences is that most 3rd party vendors offer something like Other World Computing's lifetime advance replacement warranty. This warranty means that, in the unlikely event that a chip proves defective, they will send you a replacement and not charge you unless you fail to return the defective chip within a specified period of time. Apple warranties the RAM for the same period as the rest of the computer - 1 year, unless you purchase the AppleCare extended warranty that extends the warranty for two additional years. 

    I hope I've been helpful,

    Stephen 


  • Dear Julian and Stephen.

    Thank you so much for the info. You have both saved me a lot of money as well as helped me immensely.
     
    I'll definitely wait for the new line of Mac Pros. My birthday is in January anyway so the timing is perfect. :-)

    I had no idea that the price difference was that much for memory from third party vendors. I'm shocked but very happy that you can buy 16GB of ram for $630 (it's crazy that it is actually cheaper then 4GB of ram from apple).

    Again thanks for taking the time to pass on all this info to me.

    Hope you have a great Christmas and New Years.

    All the best,
    Edwin