@julian said:

Hi Herb and Co. Please could you consider producing a set of pfp's for your percussion sets Timps, Drums, Cymbals, etc. I know you can do a crescendo then A/B into a dim but it's quite hard to avoid a double beat without fiddling with attack and positioning etc. If there were 2", 4", 6", 8"+10" it would make for some smooth percussion work and a lot less fiddling! Thanks Julian PS can you fix the paragraphs in Safari !!

Agreed. This would be good to have.

DG

PS Safari problem is an Apple problem. If it bothers you, then use another browser.

@DG said:

PS Safari problem is an Apple problem. If it bothers you, then use another browser.

@DG said:

PS Safari problem is an Apple problem. If it bothers you, then use another browser. This bug is old news on this forum. Have a look at the Website section.

As much as I have tried at other times to defuse  Mac vs. PC (quasi-religious) arguments when they have arisen on this forum, I must say that Mac users just seem to get blamed again and again for buying the wrong computer instead of "getting with the program" as dictated by Microsoft. Little is quite as edifying than listening, one more time, to someone using a contemptuous, bullying tone toward those whose choice of a computer OS is different from his (or her) own. How profoundly original it is to keep on beating the drum and blaring the trumpet for Microsoft. . . .

Maybe Safari is an "Apple problem" but, oddly, the problems with formatting that now occur here when using Safari just didn't occur here before the website was upgraded - - and don't occur on most other websites I frequent - - although many of them are websites that one wouldn't necessarily expect to be Safari or Apple friendly.

Here I use Firefox. 

Since this site has so many participants - - and VSL has so many customers - - who use Macs and Safari, it would be pleasant if there were some way to make it work better for this, perhaps benighted, but not entirely insignificant, part of the customer base...  

steve we are well aware of this formatting issue for safari (and opera btw!) users, but it is not directly related to mac vs. pc but to the used browser and javascript engine. unfortunately nobody reported this bug during the testsetup ...

the old forum had only very simple (and not XHTML conform) options for formatting so you can't compare it to a so-called rich text editor.

i noticed last week an update to tinyMCE has been released, which we will check out. furthermore it came to my ears that wordpress (one of the most widely used open source CMS and blog software) has exactly the same unresolved problem.

to test the IMO only alternate solution FCKeditor we need to setup a seperate server (we can't dig around on the live system), so please keep patient with us ...

please also keep in mind that especially microsoft has been attacked over years for their javascript interpreter but finally joined the ECMA standard (from 1999) which is based on netscape's javascript implementation. if now others don't care about this worldwide accepted standard you can hardly blame microsoft now for (rarely enough) attending standards .... as you write firefox (as the *legitimate* successor of netscape) is interpreting everything correctly.

just as a sidenote: surfing on apples website with another browser than safari throws up to 10 javascript errors per page (for those who have enabled the browser to show javascript errors), so this is not really fun and they neither seem to care nor reply to reports ... judge yourself ...

christian

@DG said:

PS Safari problem is an Apple problem. If it bothers you, then use another browser. This bug is old news on this forum. Have a look at the Website section.

As much as I have tried at other times to defuse  Mac vs. PC (quasi-religious) arguments when they have arisen on this forum, I must say that Mac users just seem to get blamed again and again for buying the wrong computer instead of "getting with the program" as dictated by Microsoft. Little is quite as edifying than listening, one more time, to someone using a contemptuous, bullying tone toward those whose choice of a computer OS is different from his (or her) own. How profoundly original it is to keep on beating the drum and blaring the trumpet for Microsoft. . . .

Maybe Safari is an "Apple problem" but, oddly, the problems with formatting that now occur here when using Safari just didn't occur here before the website was upgraded - - and don't occur on most other websites I frequent - - although many of them are websites that one wouldn't necessarily expect to be Safari or Apple friendly.

Here I use Firefox. 

Since this site has so many participants - - and VSL has so many customers - - who use Macs and Safari, it would be pleasant if there were some way to make it work better for this, perhaps benighted, but not entirely insignificant, part of the customer base...  

DG:

What drew my ire was what seemed to me a dismissive attitude to a fellow participant on this forum.

You might, for example, have simply stated that, for whatever reason, Safari hasn't worked, without effort, here since the update of the site's software and that the simplest solution is to use Firefox.

Instead you told him that the Safari's incompatibilites were "old news," instructed him to read another thread and characterized his difficulties as an "Apple problem."

Perhaps if you re-read what I've written previously, you'd see that I criticized Mac users who took it as a personal affront that a 64 bit version of VE was not immediately available. As I implied above I don't find it particularly pleasant or useful when a proponent of one side or the other of the Mac vs. PC argument substitutes disparagement for reason and help. 

As to whether someone is "beating the drum" for Microsoft: VSL software comes in only two basic flavors - - OSX or Windows, so if someone disparages one or the other of these operating systems, one might, reasonably, conclude that they are promoting the other. 

My suggestion is that we all conduct our conversations here with an attitude of mutual respect.

Stephen