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  • Vienna Ensemble with Vista 64

    Hi! There....

    I am very close to buying new computers now and this time I really want to take advantage of 64-bit Ram and processing. I plan to run two machines - each with RME HDSP 52 and 32 channel cards, Cubase 4 and Vista 64 on a Q6600 Quad Core processor with 4GB Ram each. One of these computers will be dedicated to Vienna Ensemble only.

    Can people using similar set ups please talk about their success in running such systems?

    Also can someone from VSL please confirm if ADAT outs will be available to use as seperate outputs from the RME or any other such sound cards? HDSP 32 has 1 X ADAT port - which should give me 4 stereo outs.

    And finally any problems running Altiverb 6 Regular on Vista 64-bit systems or in Vienna Ensemble?

    I am just trying to get user feedback here - anything and everything is welcome!

    Thanks.

    Best,

    Tanuj. 


  • I am running two 64-bit slaves, both Intel platforms, 8gb of RAM and WinXP x64.

    One has an RME HDSP 9652 and the other a 9632.

    Works like a dream, merrily load 7.5gb of samples each, and yes, I can address all of the individual outputs on the cards.

    I agree with old DG's comment - why only 4Gb of RAM? 8Gb is only £200 or so, so not much of a stretch for a lot more power.


  • I tried Vista64 very recently.

    Its an absolute system resource hog.

    There is no point in using it at all unless you want all the visual enhancements.

    It required 680mb of ram just to boot up to the desktop and thats after all the optomizing!

    Whats the point of Vista64 for us musicians? Stick with XP64.

    Thats just my suggestion.

    David

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    @RedLeicester said:

    I agree with old DG's comment - why only 4Gb of RAM? 8Gb is only £200 or so, so not much of a stretch for a lot more power.

    Oy, less of the old please. [:@]

    DG


  • Hehehehe [:P]


  • Interesting thread - I'm at exactly the same point as Vibrato.

    Have also pretty much decided on XP64 - but still very concerned that we will be left high and dry when Microsoft discontinues XP64 next year  especially as far as drivers for all our peripherals are concerned.

    I know you can't future-proof but...


  • Steinberg is "supporting" Vista. VSL prefers XP64. Take your pick.

    FWIW XP64 has been given a reprieve by MS, and they will continue to support it for much longer than your machine will last. However, if your audio card does not have drivers yet, then it is very unlikely that this will change.

    DG

  • SImply no need for over the top RAM unless you're planning on overclocking your CPU or some such. I would recommend going with a reputable manufacturer, such as Crucial or Kensington, but you don't need to get their expensive stuff. I went in this instance for PC2-4200 RAM, so 533mhz (on a P4 3.2ghz, Asus P5WD2 Premium) which was £233 for 8Gb - they would have gladly sold me the higher end stuff for £400 or so, but there's just no point.

    The RAM is dull and boring and looks like this - not a heatsink or LED or any other rubbish in sight:

    In terms of platform, XP x64 has been around for four years now, so is fairly well proven, though not many manufacturers have bothered writing drivers for it, as they worked on Vista instead. Vista itself is very new, and the industry as a whole has seemed to be very slow on the uptake - only last week were Macs finally 64-bit, and despite PCs having 64-bit OS options for so long, very little has been done about it. So if you're going down this route, logic would dictate that XP x64 is the safer bet for now.

    However, as I said before, do consider the amount of Cubase/Nuendo features that DON'T work under ANY 64-bit operating system - maybe you could live without native versions of some of the plugins, but the lack of a 64-bit version of Quicktime is out of Steinberg's hands - I guess Apple will roll it out as and when they can be bothered - as mentioned, they have only just made their OS 64-bit, so QT may yet take a while as they fiddle with more phones or iProds or something fatuous.

    I currently have a working 64-bit test system (dual boot on my main DAW PC) which is running Vista 64, and seems to be "relatively" stable - however, with no Powercore drivers, no QT, and several of the main plugins and features either limited or disabled, it's too early for me to risk paid work by moving over to it - hence I run Nuendo 4 on XP32, which I know works, is solid, and hasn't fallen over in years.

    The slave PCs for Vienna Ensemble however are another matter - because of the newness of Vista, I chose to stick with XP64 on those, and bless the VSL team, VE has worked on both machines without a hitch - but then they're not being asked to do very much - merely boot, load the RME drivers, MIDI-over-LAN and VE. For that purpose they have performed flawlessly.

    One final thought - if you find your budget won't stretch to 8gb and you can only get 4, then get 2x 2Gb sticks - it'll be a little more money than 4x1gb, but when you have more cash, you can just slap in another pair of sticks - if you get 4x1gb, then when you come to upgrade they will all be redundant, and will sit on a shelf gathering dust!


  • My advice would be to install the 32bit version of Cubase so that you can still use things such as QT and all the plugs without having to negotiate the huge CPU hit of the VST bridge. Yes, you'll be limited to 4GB within Cubase, but as VE runs outside, you can use up all the RAM.

    DG


  • All flavours of XP can use the /3GB switch. However, I wouldn't advise using it on Home, as I don't think that you can dual boot. Do remember that if you intend to use any VE on the DAW, you will not need the /3GB switch, as VE runs outside the DAW.

    Any reason that you aren't thinking of XP64 for the DAW?

    DG

  • OK, let me try to make this clear. I'm talking about XP64. You can run almost all plugs in XP64, even though they are 32bit plugs. You just have to make sure that you have 64bit drivers for the audio card etc.. What I am suggesting is this:

    OS XP64

    DAW Cubase 4.1, 32bit version

    8GB RAM

    Now here is the clever bit. Cubase can access up to 4GB RAM, but as VE runs outside the DAW you can use the rest of the RAM up as well. I hope that this is clear. I wouldn't touch the 64bit version of Cubase with a barge pole.

    DG


  • Well, if you want to save money, you should consider using FXT (32bit), as then you won't need any soundcard or hardware MIDI on the slave machine.

    DG