what you don't know, PolarBear, is that trailerman's purchase missed the sale offer for a few days which had opened a very good deal for upgrades to him - but i think we found a reasonable way to compensate although we don't have any *upgrade free if purchased after ...* rule
christian

Maybe this has been mentioned, so forgive me for possible redundancy.

The type of weighting for Vlns 1 and Vlns 2 desired using VSL would be to change the panning to what's called across the pond as the European seating position.

Violins 1 |Violas (left of center) | Cellos (right of center) | Violins 2 | Basses diagonally behind Cellos.

This is a very common seating arrangement and when using it, especially with Violins 1 + Violins 2 in unison, you get a much more realistic sound.

That's a good point Peter, thank you.

I tend to think of Violins2 as sitting behind Violins1, but it's possible that if instead they were properly panned to the European position, and treated with reverb accordingly, this may resolve some of the phasing issues. Probably not the way I'd choose to mix, but may be a good compromise.

Incidentally, Polarbear et. al., I'm sorry this thread seems to have provoked some hard feelings. Perhaps I was over-hasty in crticising VSL for being a little inflexible with pricing for what I consider as upgrades to the main orchestral package. I guess I'm just used to other companies pricing upgrades differently for new purchasers than for fully fledged, all singing, all dancing, fully paid-up, house remortgaged devotees of their products. I see Appassionata Strings (although I realize it's a separate product), as a kind of upgrade to the main Orchestra, and I guess I just vented my dissapointment with VSL's pricing philosophy publicly, when maybe I shouldn't have.

Anyway, it's Friday, the sun is shining, Appassionata Strings sounds great, my Logic Studio upgrade arrives today, so I'll stop complaining!

All the very best

Jules

@Another User said:

Incidentally, Polarbear et. al. [....] fully fledged, all singing, all dancing, fully paid-up, house remortgaged devotees of their products.

Is that the subtle, sophistacted, sneaky way of saying "f**k off"? I don't expect everybody to agree with me, as I do not agree with everybody's opinion all the time, and that includes questionable decisions by VSL. Just putting my critics as loud as others expressing their opinion. We should not forget that the starting point of this discussion was a complaint about a non-existant discount on an non-existant "upgrade" path. I'm still wondering which company would offer that? There's nothing wrong in asking for it, but one has to be aware that the kind of answer you receive on that might not be what you're looking for.

But maybe VSL will recalculate their plans and do such a thing, as long as enough people are asking for it, so you got some chances there, who knows? Besides that, I'll give you the same hint as I already gave evanevans a few years ago. If you are so convinced this will be a no-brainer for many, lay down the cash in front to VSL for all the costs of recording, editing and publishing, and wait on the revenue to come back and make some extra cash when it is making its impact on the market boldly.

All the very very best my dear,
PolarBear

On a sidenote and slightly OT: Does it anything mean it to you that this thread is neither closed nor deleted/made invisible yet even with all the rambling going on in it? You should examine other companies forum about that...

Hi Polarbear

@Trailerman said:

Incidentally, Polarbear et. al. [....] fully fledged, all singing, all dancing, fully paid-up, house remortgaged devotees of their products.

Is that the subtle, sophistacted, sneaky way of saying "f**k off"?

No, it's the unsubtle, unsophisticated, unsneaky way of saying exactly what it said, or in other words "people who have already invested in the companies main bundle of products". Nothing more, nothing less. How on earth you could interpret my post the way you did is truly remarkable.

Is there some kind of twisted game on the VSL forums, where people deliberately try and find ways of being offended by other people's posts? Or is this some kind of bizarre initiation ceremony for newbies.

All the best

Jules

@PolarBear said:

On a sidenote and slightly OT: Does it anything mean it to you that this thread is neither closed nor deleted/made invisible yet even with all the rambling going on in it? You should examine other companies forum about that...

Good point Polarbear - I wish they would, and put all of us out of our misery!! [[;)]]

Jules

@Trailerman said:

How on earth you could interpret my post the way you did is truly remarkable.

Is there some kind of twisted game on the VSL forums, where people deliberately try and find ways of being offended by other people's posts? Or is this some kind of bizarre initiation ceremony for newbies.

All the best

Jules

Funny, isn't it?

Twisted games?

Next you're going to say you don't like twisted games. What is your problem? THAT IS THE MAIN REASON TO POST HERE. We need relaxation after a hard day in the studio, and that's what this forum exists for. How better to relax than an outrageous bout of alcohol or caffeine fueled ranting and then skewering with savage irony anyone who dares to protest? Really, I am surprised I have to explain these things.

So Trailerman, I now stand here and don't have any clue who else that subtle, sophistacated, sneaky remark was meant to. "Devotee" does come across as a much stronger word than "customer" to me, not even taking any of the forementioned adjectives into account, but maybe we are lost in translation here, who knows? Actually I know you will say that. Oh, I could be wrong here, you maybe even said that already. And I'm still waiting for the name of the company that offers such an "upgrade" path.

PolarBear