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  • Notation software - Sibelius5

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    have the VSL team experimented with using notation software with the VSL library? And specifically the new Sibelius 5.

    When developing products does the VSL team consider the implications for the many users of the VSL libraries who use notation software to create performances rather than midi keyboards?

    With the advent of VST hosting in Sibelius 5 there will be many more notation software users wanting to use VSL products without using midi keyboards or sequencers.

    Does VSL have a vision statement in this regard?

    can I ask that the VSL team consider having a sub-forum just for users of VSL with notation software. Whilst many questions do get asked here they are of course soon lost and I'm sure a seperate sub-forum would be of great interest and benefit to many users.

    With great respect.
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    Sibelius is working actively with VSL. I know specifically that they are creating a "sound set" for Sibelius 5 for direct connection to the VI Special Edition.
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    @snavenave said:

    I know specifically that they are creating a "sound set" for Sibelius 5 for direct connection to the VI Standard Edition.

    may i ask: any source you can give us? and what exactly should this be, a *sound set for direct connection to the standard edition*?

    you have to know the wording is: Vienna Instruments offer a series of collections, a collection, can contain a standard and an extended library. in this sense Vienna Instrument is an *edition* as formerly the *pro edition* so there is nothing like a *standard edition*
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Dear CM,

    Sibelius 5 (for Mac), now has AU support built in. (As opposed to Finale that only supports NI AU at the moment). There are some threads on the Sibelius forum about it supporting the Vienna Special Edition with one of it's "sound sets", however there is no "Sound Set" editor just yet. I don't what assumptions it's makes about user matrices etc. Daniel at Sibelius would be the guy to contact (he is probably lurking here right now!)

    When I get time I intend to set up Sibelius 5 on my laptop with the SE, I'll let people know how I get on.

    Regards

    David Hage
    Dakota Music Service
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    thx david, this sheds some light on the sense of the statement ... i've already earlier attempted to access the sibelius forums but have been stopped by the need to register a product first. i'll try to contact daniel directly.
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @snavenave said:

    I know specifically that they are creating a "sound set" for Sibelius 5 for direct connection to the VI Standard Edition.

    may i ask: any source you can give us? and what exactly should this be, a *sound set for direct connection to the standard edition*?

    you have to know the wording is: Vienna Instruments offer a series of collections, a collection, can contain a standard and an extended library. in this sense Vienna Instrument is an *edition* as formerly the *pro edition* so there is nothing like a *standard edition*
    christian
    I think he(?) means Special Edition.

    DG
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    yep, i'd assume this is what he(?) meant ... sorry, it's sometimes hard especially for a non native speaker to figure out what is meant when terms are mixed up [:P]
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Christian, these are exciting times for Sibelius and Virtual instruments. I would encourage any dialogue the VSL team can open up with the equally gifted folks at Sibelius as it seems we are reaching a point where the interface between Sibelius and VSL is such that many many users both professional and amateur are beginning to believe they can start to move away from their cumbersome DAWs with sequencers, virtual midi cables, dozens of different VSTs and plugins etc etc and start to make top quality music with just their notation software and VSL.

    I know it's still not ideal but I believe we have reached the top of the hill (and it's been a tough climb) and with a gentle push from all, the Sibelius/VSL interface can roll rapidly towards virtual music paradise as I've quoted many times, as Don Buckley so eloquently said;

    “ One way or the other sooner or later, professional musicians will conclude that the only acceptable environment for the production of virtual orchestration work will be a notation program such as Sibelius. A interface simplified to the point where one feels almost as if he or she is dipping their virtual pen into virtual ink, jotting a phrase onto textured parchment, and then sitting back to listen to the immediate result as it magically comes to life. And, dare one suggest it, to actually have fun throughout the process.”

    We are getting there and with a constructive dialogue between Sibelius VSL and it's users it can hopefully happen sooner rather than later.
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    agreed - as posted earlier: a quick initial test with the sib5 demo has been very promising ... because i personally am totally unfamiliar with sibelius a certain learning curve might apply [;)]
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    agreed - as posted earlier: a quick initial test with the sib5 demo has been very promising ... because i personally am totally unfamiliar with sibelius a certain learning curve might apply [;)]
    christian



    I can help here, Christian.

    ...Put one one note in.

    Then another one......

    Then another one....


    [[:|]] [H] [:D]
  • cmC
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    oho - it's that easy? and you think such a piece will sound like eg. yours (only in case i use VI libraries of course) ... [:D]
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    oho - it's that easy? and you think such a piece will sound like eg. yours (only in case i use VI libraries of course) ... [:D]


    Erm, I never said it was going to be easy!
    But its the least i can do given the formidable contribution you've made to my own miserable knowledge of computer hardware and software....!

    p.s. If Sib5 doesn't work out, let me know, and i'll send you some parchment.

    Now THERE'S a technology i understand!

    [:D]
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    @Another User said:

    there is nothing like a *standard edition*
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    Meant "Special Edition". The change has been made.
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    The Sibelius web site mentions Garritan demo samples. I somehow doubt VSL and Garritan would be offered in the same package... [*-)]
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    It's not on the site. It's in the forum. For users only.
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    Yes, please get in touch with Sibelius. Developing the soundset is exciting. I just bought the Special Edition because of the Sib5 update.... a dream could become true...
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    yes, yes... and a VI SoundWorld set for Sibelius 5 (you can write these yourself, though it's a considerable pain in the butt), with a Mac Pro, Leopard, and a 64-bit VI, running on 16 GB RAM. Oooooh... the thought just breaks my heart...

    Maybe October will bring something significant from that wonderful, benevolent, cell phone manufacturer... who also makes computers, I hear...

    One thing I'm wondering, though: is VSL working on a 64-bit, OS X VI at the moment? I mean, the developer releases of Leopard have been around for a long time now. Surely it must be possible to at least get close to a new VI release for October, to coincide with the launch of 10.5. No?

    J.
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    okay, well...

    I'll be moving house in September, which means a general shake-up of the studio situation. Although I've managed to get it running reasonably smoothly, it could certainly be better, so I'm looking at other possible approaches (currently running 4 machines, totalling around 8 GB "wired").

    The ideal is a Mac Pro with loads of RAM, all 64-bit. "One machine to rule them all" kind of thing... that is, pure fantasy... but maybe not in the next year, or so...

    The 2nd option is to try to get it down to 2 machines: 1) Mac Pro, 8 GB RAM, running my sequencer (Sibelius, Logic), and hopefully maxing out at the current 4-ish GB of loaded samples, and 2) an XP64 beast, 8 GB RAM, hosted in Bidule, and hopefully wiring up somewhere close to the full 8 GB.

    Is option 2 realistic in the near future - I'm thinking September or October?

    J.
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    @jbm said:

    "One machine to rule them all" kind of thing... that is, pure fantasy... but maybe not in the next year, or so..
    That's what I do. It's not fantasy. Maybe you meant fantasy for you?
  • cmC
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    es gibt keine eierlegende wollmilchsau - what should translate to: there is no wool making milk giving eggpig [6]

    another try: egg-laying wool-milk-pig [:P]
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.