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  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    yep, i'd assume this is what he(?) meant ... sorry, it's sometimes hard especially for a non native speaker to figure out what is meant when terms are mixed up [:P]
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Christian, these are exciting times for Sibelius and Virtual instruments. I would encourage any dialogue the VSL team can open up with the equally gifted folks at Sibelius as it seems we are reaching a point where the interface between Sibelius and VSL is such that many many users both professional and amateur are beginning to believe they can start to move away from their cumbersome DAWs with sequencers, virtual midi cables, dozens of different VSTs and plugins etc etc and start to make top quality music with just their notation software and VSL.

    I know it's still not ideal but I believe we have reached the top of the hill (and it's been a tough climb) and with a gentle push from all, the Sibelius/VSL interface can roll rapidly towards virtual music paradise as I've quoted many times, as Don Buckley so eloquently said;

    “ One way or the other sooner or later, professional musicians will conclude that the only acceptable environment for the production of virtual orchestration work will be a notation program such as Sibelius. A interface simplified to the point where one feels almost as if he or she is dipping their virtual pen into virtual ink, jotting a phrase onto textured parchment, and then sitting back to listen to the immediate result as it magically comes to life. And, dare one suggest it, to actually have fun throughout the process.”

    We are getting there and with a constructive dialogue between Sibelius VSL and it's users it can hopefully happen sooner rather than later.
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    agreed - as posted earlier: a quick initial test with the sib5 demo has been very promising ... because i personally am totally unfamiliar with sibelius a certain learning curve might apply [;)]
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    agreed - as posted earlier: a quick initial test with the sib5 demo has been very promising ... because i personally am totally unfamiliar with sibelius a certain learning curve might apply [;)]
    christian



    I can help here, Christian.

    ...Put one one note in.

    Then another one......

    Then another one....


    [[:|]] [H] [:D]
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    oho - it's that easy? and you think such a piece will sound like eg. yours (only in case i use VI libraries of course) ... [:D]
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    oho - it's that easy? and you think such a piece will sound like eg. yours (only in case i use VI libraries of course) ... [:D]


    Erm, I never said it was going to be easy!
    But its the least i can do given the formidable contribution you've made to my own miserable knowledge of computer hardware and software....!

    p.s. If Sib5 doesn't work out, let me know, and i'll send you some parchment.

    Now THERE'S a technology i understand!

    [:D]
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    @Another User said:

    there is nothing like a *standard edition*
    christian
    Meant "Special Edition". The change has been made.
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    The Sibelius web site mentions Garritan demo samples. I somehow doubt VSL and Garritan would be offered in the same package... [*-)]
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    It's not on the site. It's in the forum. For users only.
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    Yes, please get in touch with Sibelius. Developing the soundset is exciting. I just bought the Special Edition because of the Sib5 update.... a dream could become true...
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    yes, yes... and a VI SoundWorld set for Sibelius 5 (you can write these yourself, though it's a considerable pain in the butt), with a Mac Pro, Leopard, and a 64-bit VI, running on 16 GB RAM. Oooooh... the thought just breaks my heart...

    Maybe October will bring something significant from that wonderful, benevolent, cell phone manufacturer... who also makes computers, I hear...

    One thing I'm wondering, though: is VSL working on a 64-bit, OS X VI at the moment? I mean, the developer releases of Leopard have been around for a long time now. Surely it must be possible to at least get close to a new VI release for October, to coincide with the launch of 10.5. No?

    J.
  • J
    J
    okay, well...

    I'll be moving house in September, which means a general shake-up of the studio situation. Although I've managed to get it running reasonably smoothly, it could certainly be better, so I'm looking at other possible approaches (currently running 4 machines, totalling around 8 GB "wired").

    The ideal is a Mac Pro with loads of RAM, all 64-bit. "One machine to rule them all" kind of thing... that is, pure fantasy... but maybe not in the next year, or so...

    The 2nd option is to try to get it down to 2 machines: 1) Mac Pro, 8 GB RAM, running my sequencer (Sibelius, Logic), and hopefully maxing out at the current 4-ish GB of loaded samples, and 2) an XP64 beast, 8 GB RAM, hosted in Bidule, and hopefully wiring up somewhere close to the full 8 GB.

    Is option 2 realistic in the near future - I'm thinking September or October?

    J.
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    @jbm said:

    "One machine to rule them all" kind of thing... that is, pure fantasy... but maybe not in the next year, or so..
    That's what I do. It's not fantasy. Maybe you meant fantasy for you?
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    es gibt keine eierlegende wollmilchsau - what should translate to: there is no wool making milk giving eggpig [6]

    another try: egg-laying wool-milk-pig [:P]
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Haha, I am not getting that. But it sounds funny. Is there a better translation?
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    Hehe, I'm still not getting that. It just sounds like a bunch of english farm words mixed together, with nothing leading to the next. Is it something like:

    Cows don't lay wool for pigs to eat?

    It pretty much doesn't translate so far.
  • J
    J
    It means-- too many things are being expected from one source or more literally---

    There is no such thing as an egg-laying pig that grows wool and gives milk (that anyone would want to drink).

    ("es gibt keine" translates as "there is no...")

    If you want eggs-- go find a chicken who is good at this sort of thing.
    If you want clothing-- look for sheep with a good coat of wool.
    If you want milk-- it's better to look for a cow.

    And make sure each animal is willing to share what it has with you!

    Even with this, some people don't eat pork, so the pig could easily be rendered totally useless! [:P]

    Likewise-- too many things running on one machine could render the machine totally useless.
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    hahaha

    Even though my dad is as fluent in English as I am, German was his first language, and he often quotes German expressions like that. And of course the translations into English always come out just the same way: excuse me while I shave my mole, a maiden in shoes doesn't water a tree, four dancers on a bicycle always wet their beds...whatever.

    My mom (also born in Germany) laughs at the expressions themselves, and I laugh at how silly the literal translations are. [:)]
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    Okay! I totally get it now. JWL's translation is right on:

    Sounds like an "egg-laying pig that grows wool and gives milk". Perfect.

    Now let's see ...
    what was the context ...

    ah yes, I see. Well, I think one day we will be able to do everything. That's a certainty. If we still have a planet then (100 years from now). But in the immediate future, I think we'll have to settle for a pig that gives milk and grows sustainable plant life ==== can you say "CHIA PET" ?
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    The nice thing about where we are with technology is that even though cows don't have wool-- they can offer you a nice pelt of suede instead.

    And if the cow won't give milk, you can always try a cooperative goat-- unless you are lactose intolerant!!

    This means we have some options right now that are quite useful as long as we're willing to remain technologically creative.

    All in one box? It's fun to dream-- and that dream just may come true in this lifetime.