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  • Tempo runs

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    Hello,

    Is it possible to change the tempo of the runs ? On GS3 version, I know we had different tempos but can't find this on VSL VI ...

    Thanks!
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    Hi SyQuEsT,

    Giga and EXS version offered various tempos for fast repetitions and upbeat repetitions, which are ofcourse also included in the Vienna Instruments collections.
    There were no tempo variations for runs, except a the clarinet (I think). But these two tempo variations are also included in the Vienna Instruments.

    best
    Herb
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    Could it be possible to add a feature to synchronize the tempo runs to the sequencer tempo ?

    [8-)] [[;)]]
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    From what Vienna has accomplished, I think we all should be glad what we already have!
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    @SyQuEsT said:

    Could it be possible to add a feature to synchronize the tempo runs to the sequencer tempo ?

    [8-)] [[;)]]


    Impossible according to me. it would not sound natural at all beyond a change of 2 bpm, the slightest tempo change in runs and the articulation is totally different. You would need to record nearly every single tempo to have a natural sounding run.
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    @Guy said:


    Impossible according to me. it would not sound natural at all beyond a change of 2 bpm, the slightest tempo change in runs and the articulation is totally different.


    Not true, there have been some significant improvement in the time stretching programs and this IS possible.
    Easy to implement onto the VI structure…I don't know, but that would be a very handy feature.
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    Laurent,

    Technically it's possible for sure but until it has been proven it work aesthetically as well I'll need to hear from my own ears. We are not talking about 8th or 16th notes we are talking about runs that were recorded at a very high speed, some of these notes are a bit distorted, slowing these notes would NOT sound natural.
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    It would be like playing a passage with "fast legato" and slowing it down, you're not going to get the proper articulation for it, and another thing by doing that you'll constantly end up with the same articulation, thus the same sound through out all your runs no matter what speed they are played, that will sound so machine like.
    The real solution will be more complex than that or involve a lot of runs at various speeds sampled. There's nothing free in life....
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    Actually, to my ears the recorded runs only sound marginally better than a played run with the Perf Trill patch. OK, if you listen up front with no reverb then they sound way better, but for orchestral effects it is far quicker to play a run at half tempo in the sequencer than hunt for the correct scale, find that it doesn't fit and do the Perf Trill thing anyway.

    What I would be more interested in is some kind of automatic Harp glissando choosing. I need all start notes, all configurations, all speeds (a little time stretching or compressing wouldn't hurt), all dynamics and a morphing velocity crossfade. Any one else need this?

    DG
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    @DG said:

    Actually, to my ears the recorded runs only sound marginally better than a played run with the Perf Trill patch. DG


    Those runs are more precious than you think, I'll say no more...
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    @DG said:

    Actually, to my ears the recorded runs only sound marginally better than a played run with the Perf Trill patch. DG


    Those runs are more precious than you think, I'll say no more...
    You can't leave it at that........ [[:|]]

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    @DG said:

    Actually, to my ears the recorded runs only sound marginally better than a played run with the Perf Trill patch. OK, if you listen up front with no reverb then they sound way better, but for orchestral effects it is far quicker to play a run at half tempo in the sequencer than hunt for the correct scale, find that it doesn't fit and do the Perf Trill thing anyway.

    What I would be more interested in is some kind of automatic Harp glissando choosing. I need all start notes, all configurations, all speeds (a little time stretching or compressing wouldn't hurt), all dynamics and a morphing velocity crossfade. Any one else need this?

    DG




    DG - this is an idea worth trying - that is for sure. I can't tell you how many times I used another device than a scale run becuase it just didn't work - tempo wise.

    Thanks for the idea. Perf Trill patches, huh? Do you do the same for the WWs?


    Rob
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    Well, I guess everybody has their own technics. [[;)]]
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    Actually, what really sounds very nice is Chanmber strings, played half time using the short and regular staccs. Just used on a cue at 180 bpm (recorded double bowed scales at 90 bpm). WOW - can't believe I haven't tried something this easy and simple.

    Thanks DG for sending me down this path.


    Rob
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    Cool!

    That's great Rod. Keep it up!
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    @DG said:

    Actually, to my ears the recorded runs only sound marginally better than a played run with the Perf Trill patch. OK, if you listen up front with no reverb then they sound way better, but for orchestral effects it is far quicker to play a run at half tempo in the sequencer than hunt for the correct scale, find that it doesn't fit and do the Perf Trill thing anyway.

    What I would be more interested in is some kind of automatic Harp glissando choosing. I need all start notes, all configurations, all speeds (a little time stretching or compressing wouldn't hurt), all dynamics and a morphing velocity crossfade. Any one else need this?

    DG




    DG - this is an idea worth trying - that is for sure. I can't tell you how many times I used another device than a scale run becuase it just didn't work - tempo wise.

    Thanks for the idea. Perf Trill patches, huh? Do you do the same for the WWs?


    Rob
    Yes, and I include a little staccato with the first note so that it has a tiny accent. This can simulate changes of bow or tonguing and helps to give some life to the passage.

    DG
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    Here something that helps runs. Layer in a the perf-portamento patch playing some or all of the run. Sounds great on really fast scale runs!

    Best,
    Jay
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    @herb said:


    There were no tempo variations for runs, except a the clarinet (I think). But these two tempo variations are also included in the Vienna Instruments.

    best
    Herb


    Herb, I just saw violins spiccato runs at 140 bpm ... are they include in the VI ?

    Thanks