@julian said:

Syncrosoft ... the Trabant of software protection??

julian

Julian, your claws are showing.....

[:D]

@julian said:

Syncrosoft ... the Trabant of software protection??

julian

Julian, your claws are showing.....

[:D]


Can you imagine what 'claws and teeth' are showing inside of VSL's conference rooms. I can imagine Herb and crew are fed up with this subsupplier. On one hand - they are needed to protect their investment on the other - they are possibly preventing sales or at the very least ticking off existing customers [:'(]

Rob

@julian said:

Syncrosoft ... the Trabant of software protection??

julian

Julian, your claws are showing.....

[:D]

Yeh!

The trouble is I'm working on a multi cue commercial project as we speak and due to the still (unfortunately) very long load times using the Vienna Instruments system I HAVE to work with the old Orchestral Cube library to meet my deadlines.

Don't get me wrong the Vienna Instruments are wonderful but in the Logic/Mac environment they do not yet fit into a commercial multi-cue workflow where a director might be present and can't just while away the day waiting for each cue to load.

I can't get a Mac initialisation time for Vienna instruments anywhere near the 50"-60" Maya has quoted - takes 2'30" for an empty VI AU to open in Logic for the first time (have any other Mac users got down to 1 minute with the full 10 instrument collection?)

Currently I can load a maxed out Logic session using the Pro edition EXS version (RAM wise) in just over 4 minutes from booting my computer in the morning.

An equivalent RAM load - this time using the Vienna Instruments - though improved - recently is nearly 4 minutes longer.

I recently calculated to review a 15 cue project with the production's director would involve me with over 2 hours of load time!!

In a time conscious industry this just doesn't fly.

I think VSL have made great moves forward in their application of Sampling technology and enable tracks to be created that would have been unfeasible a few years ago. However in getting their system on to our system (i.e. the license scanning issues and data loading issues) the Vienna Instruments appear, at least on a MAC system to be behind the curve. My system has a potential capability to transfer into RAM at over 200MB/second. With the Vienna Instruments, taking scanning and loading into account, loads are averaging at under 10MB/second - one twentyeth of the sysyems theoretical limit.

There rant over!

Now I'm looking to be able to incorporate the wonderful Vienna Instruments into my projects in the near future....hopefully!


Julian

well to not exaggerate things .... i could imagine there turned up other issues not related to VSL licenses and so they had to withdraw the version.

for users with registered ViennaInstruments Libraries i've therefore temporary re-activated the download from the user area

@Another User said:

one twentyeth of the sysyems theoretical limit

julian, also here we have to face the relations.
you can't compare RAM usage for arguing loading times, because the footprint of a loaded sample header with ViennaInstruments is significantly smaller than with any other app, so the number of loaded samples is much higher (i'd say 2.5 times average) - this samples have to be read from a harddisk.

harddisks can still deliver just ~30 MB/s random read, if you have a very fast drive (10.000 rpm, NCQ) possibly 40 MB/s ... this affects the theoretical limit. of course your PCI-bus can deliver ~250 MB/s to memory or processor in best case - but when does such a case really occur?

CM,

Yes I realise theoretical limits (my 4 disc SATA 2 raid is capable of transfering large files at over 200 MB) don't equate to actual load times and one only has to look at the sample count of the VSL library to realise the magnitude of available samples.

However it feels to me that in load times we have taken a step back recently (even accounting for the 16 bit to 24 bit data size increase)

Ever since first purchasing the Pro Library and latterly I have found them to be both brilliant to work with and, on my system at least, extremely stable/reliable. It is only with the load times (both initialisation times and sample header load) i encounter log jams and I am hoping within a few months they will improve.

Julian

news again: 5.0.6.1 http://syncrosoft.com/downloads/ [;)]

...very speed..but sometimes a message display "...error no valid license...etc"
restart and all good....but....

@Another User said:

the footprint of a loaded sample header with ViennaInstruments is significantly smaller than with any other app

Just out of interest, what is the footprint per sample, cm?

This is something that just came up in a discussion I was having about Kontakt 2, so I'm especially curious.

Anyone of your 'courageous' ones tried this latest version???


A very timid Rob Elliott [:O]ops:

Rob-- I was wondering the same thing. I got 5.0.5.0 loaded, and all *seemed* to be fine-- then I go out of town for a few days and discover that within 24 hours that versions have come and gone rather conspicuously.

I do find this very troubling, especially when the new and improved 5.0.6.1 seems to have caused one user a problem already. [*-)]

The mere exodus of two versions in such a short time indicates that one set of problems continues to be exchanged for different set of problems.

It feels odd to have the now defunct 5.0.5.0 still running, but until I hear otherwise or until 5.0.5.0 totally falls apart on me, I'm going to hold my ground until further reports come in.

@JWL said:

Rob-- I was wondering the same thing. I got 5.0.5.0 loaded, and all *seemed* to be fine-- then I go out of town for a few days and discover that within 24 hours that versions have come and gone rather conspicuously.

I do find this very troubling, especially when the new and improved 5.0.6.1 seems to have caused one user a problem already. [*-)]

The mere exodus of two versions in such a short time indicates that one set of problems continues to be exchanged for different set of problems.

It feels odd to have the now defunct 5.0.5.0 still running, but until I hear otherwise or until 5.0.5.0 totally falls apart on me, I'm going to hold my ground until further reports come in.

I am on 4.9.x and staying there!!! Longer loading times at least allow me to work. My clients could care less that the protection software of my sample library is having its issues - don't you know [:'(] (the clients have little or no empathy). However as another poster has said, waiting to load up cues with a director and producer sitting in here - can be frustrating. There's only so much talking about the weather one can do. [[;)]]

Hopefully Syncrosoft will get their act together - until then I am staying with what works.


Rob

There is now a 5.0.6.2 on Syncrosofts website. I tried it out yesterday and i haven't experienced any issues as of yet. [H]

@Austin Haynes said:

There is now a 5.0.6.2 on Syncrosofts website. I tried it out yesterday and i haven't experienced any issues as of yet. [H]

Austin - you are a braver man than I [:D]

Thanks for the report. Any faster load times Austin?



Rob

For the record:
I installed v 5.0.6.2 yesterday
I launched it and got a strange and disturbing error message. I supressed panic and restarted my Mac, and License Control Center opened perfectly and found all my stuff.

No other problems so far....in fact, here's the great news:
With all 10 VI's on my system, it used to take around 8 minutes to open the VI standalone.

Now - - - I had to log out and back in and do it again because I thought I was dreaming - - - 1 (ONE) minute!!!!!

Brave new world!

Regards - Colin

Hi Rob. It "feels" faster so that's always good! I've had some good luck thus far with the updates. It's so much better to not have to wait as long for it to start up! [:D] [/code]

@musos said:

For the record:
I installed v 5.0.6.2 yesterday
I launched it and got a strange and disturbing error message. I supressed panic and restarted my Mac, and License Control Center opened perfectly and found all my stuff.

No other problems so far....in fact, here's the great news:
With all 10 VI's on my system, it used to take around 8 minutes to open the VI standalone.

Now - - - I had to log out and back in and do it again because I thought I was dreaming - - - 1 (ONE) minute!!!!!

Brave new world!

Regards - Colin

Colin - you are making me want to be brave, but, er, I don't know.... [8-)]

Rob:

I will if you will, if that's any consolation...

After all, what would you attempt if you knew you could not fail? [:P]

@JWL said:

Rob:

I will if you will, if that's any consolation...

After all, what would you attempt if you knew you could not fail? [:P]

Ok - if you put it that way - first thing in the morning - for now its off to spend time with humans [[;)]]


Rob

please don't forget to re-boot after installing something ... OSX (as a UNIX-like system) keeps running processes in memory and re-reads the updated files only after all instances of an application are removed from memory.
best choice would be to reboot before and after an update to make sure all conditions apply.
so strange behaviour of a more complex program after an update without a reboot shouldn't take you wonder ...
christian