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  • New user interface and Sibelius

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    Can anybody tell me, if the new user interface in The Symphonic Cube can be controlled by a sequencer?

    I have been working with VSL Pro edition in Gigastudio and Sibelius as a sequencer and want to continue with Sibelius to control the midi, using the new interface instead of Gigastudio.

    Hope somebody can tell [:)]

    Martin
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    Martin:

    I'm in exactly the same situation, VSL Pro, GS3 Orch., Sib. 4, Sonar5. There is a thread about this on the VI forum, focused on Finale rather than Sibelius, which appears to imply we can use it but there will definitely be some adjustments in the way we work. I don't know enough to be able to say exactly what they would be.

    I'm really curious because this will have a MAJOR effect on my choice.

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    Poppa,

    Yeah, its exciting. It will have a major effect - positivly as I see it! But I think in order to work, the new userinterface schould replace Gigastudio as sampler, but if it can, there is huge mass of possibilities!

    regards,
    Martin
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    I was at the presentation in munich last saturday. And the new user interface seems to me like the real big thing. I did not understand every new feature, but I think it will help me to save the minimum two hundred hours per year.

    Best regards, Stephan
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    From how I understand it, the new interface only runs one instrument. Ideally you would load each of these as a VSTi into your sequencer and go forward. However, Sibelius does not support VSTis. So you need a hosting application, Sonar works, most sequencers do, and MIDIyoke, or something equivalent to allow Midi from Sibelius to go to the sequencer.

    As I see it the config would go from:
    SIB->PerTool->GS3

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    SIB->MIDIYoke->SONAR(or whatever hosting the VI VSTi)
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    kcorbin:

    I think you pointed out a major issue. The fact that it's not multitimbral has me concerned as much as the notation program aspect. I would expect to use Sonar but I still wonder would it work out well with large scale compositions for which I now use Sib. GS3. Sonar.

    Is VI going to read the MIDI commands from all the lines of a Sib. score? How would that be set up even using a sequencer - multimple instances of the VI in Sonar? Can you do that? I need to know a lot more.

    Even so, my sense is we are on a whole new path. Whether or not this particular version fits the needs of those who use notation programs, eventually there will be a version that will do the job. That will really change things [:D] .

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    I think it not being multi-timbral is a good thing. Yes Sonar will support multiple VI instances. And Sibelius will feed midi to Sonar over MIDIYoke (this works today). But for those of us with one powerful machine 3 GB of RAM it is a good thing, GS3 had a limit to how much RAM it could use because it was only one process each VI is a different process, which means more of the system ram is available....

    I think there are big benefits here, especially when you add in the other RAM saving features....I am excited.
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    kcorbin:

    You've mentioned MIDIYoke a couple of times. What is that? I have been using 2 computers and MIDIoverLAN which has also been working perfectly so far.

    As you said though, GS3 only sees 2 GB of RAM and really uses a lot less than that. Both my computers have 4GB of RAM and if VI can use that along with the RAM saving features it might be really cool.

    I'm hoping I can find a way to use the old and the new, either together or separately, since so much is invested in them. We'll see.

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    @PoppaJOL said:

    kcorbin:

    You've mentioned MIDIYoke a couple of times. What is that? I have been using 2 computers and MIDIoveLAN which has also been working perfectly so far.

    As you said though, GS3 only sees 2 GB of RAM and really uses a lot less than that. Both my computers have 4GB of RAM and if VI can use that along with the RAM saving features it might be really cool.

    I'm hoping I can find a way to use the old and the new, either together or separately, since so much is invested in them. We'll see.

    Be Well,

    Poppa


    I think that MIDIyoke is a virtual MIDI cable which can be used to run standalone apps on the same PC as a sequencer.

    DG
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    Thanks DG:

    I'll look into it a bit more.

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    @kcorbin said:

    From how I understand it, the new interface only runs one instrument. Ideally you would load each of these as a VSTi into your sequencer and go forward. However, Sibelius does not support VSTis. So you need a hosting application, Sonar works, most sequencers do, and MIDIyoke, or something equivalent to allow Midi from Sibelius to go to the sequencer.

    As I see it the config would go from:
    SIB->PerTool->GS3

    to

    SIB->MIDIYoke->SONAR(or whatever hosting the VI VSTi)


    What about the VSL MIDI Router? I use it now as:
    Sib->VSL Midi Router->PerTool->GS3

    Couldn´t it go to:
    Sib->VSL Midi Router->any number of VI ?

    Or schould the VSL Midi Router be reprogrammed to do the trick?

    Martin
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    Poppa, Martin, Everybody,
    First, about a week ago, i saw a thread called Sibelius in this forum where a guy in Seattle said that he would develop a plugin that would make Sibelius recognize and play back artiulations, trills and so on. Here's his comment
    There is a plugin for the samples that come with kontakt 2 (click the link in my sig). When I get some of the other sample sets from VSL I will likely create one for those as well. But no promises at this point. Waiting to see what the new announcements are before buying anything. If someone wants to donate sample sets to me, then I could get motivated to do this sooner . (kontakt only)
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    http://homepage.mac.com/dbudde/Plugin

    ow do you guys hear articulations and trills with Sibelius and VSL/VI now?
    also, Do any of you know anything about V-Stack and the ability to use it to run multiple VSTs on a remote computer to replace or augment GS33? I just ordered two computers not knowing about VI and I wonder if I can prevent this second computer from becoming a paperweight.
    Thanks,
    Kevin
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    From another thread

    @Paul said:

    Vienna Instruments works on ONE MIDI Channel, but of course you can open many Vienna Instruments in your sequencer on different tracks.

    And as Sibelius sends MIDI, the Vienna Instruments can read it, MIDI stays MIDI.

    Best, Paul


    Well here's the excitment for me - assuming I've understood matters.

    Once we've set up the midi route from Sibelius via the VI into Sonar and once we've mastered setting up the various patches and matrixes in the VI and all the midi commands to put into the sibelius score it will now be possible to play a single stave of say an orchestral score (violin 1) with all artciulations in one go into a track in Sonar.

    Having got the first VI performance sorted we can then optimize the ram and move on to the next part. In this way, depending on your specs, it may be possible to set up several VIs so that perhaps we could do the whole of one section at a time.

    It may well be possible on modest specs to say have four VIs do live playback of a string quartet (that's be my first project with the Solo Strings)

    Presumably the midi controller data in the Sib score can be simplified in time with plug ins and the like.

    Of course the track laid down in Sonar can be tweeked further as desired.

    Reverb/Ambience - I know MIR is coming but presumably we can add whatever reverb we want in Sonar.

    I wonder whether a single VI will be able to cope with the entire range of articulations for say a whole symphony so that ideally it would be one take to record the entire 1st violin part.

    Just some idle ramblings trying to keep the notation/SC/VI discussion going. [:)]
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    @kevjazz said:

    I just ordered two computers not knowing about VI and I wonder if I can prevent this second computer from becoming a paperweight.
    Thanks,
    Kevin


    Kevin:

    From some of the things I'm reading, I'm getting the impression that if you go with VI you might be better off having it on one of your computers and your Sibelius, Sonar, Mastering software and audio files on the other. If you use it this way you could maximize the number of instances of VI you're able to run as well as optimzing your CPU/RAM usage for any other sampling needs. This, of course, means running VI as a stand-alone rather than as a plug-in in Sonar but since you get both versions you have the choice.

    I don't know how much hard drive space and RAM you have on the computers you ordered but certainly you're going to need 550 GB just for the samples in VI as well as having the engine(s) on the system drive (I believe). If your notation, sequencing and mastering software were on the same computer this would be asking an awful lot if you have a big score going. Instead, having the VI on it's own computer will probably maximize your possibilities. Also, you will have to decide where to put your other samplers and libraries. I'm not sure anyone here uses only one library for everything. All you will need then is a way to network the computers and there are lot's of ways to do that. In any case, I suspect it is very unlikely your second computer will only be taking up space. You may, in fact, have the best situation with everything brand new and optimizeable (is that a word?) for whatever you want.

    Be well,

    Poppa
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    Poppa,
    From what I understand, VI is not truly stand-alone. By this I mean that you need some kind of VST host like V-Stack if you're going to use it on a separate computer that doesn't have a dedicated sequencer on it. . Can someone confirm this? If that's the way it is, can a GSIF2 compatible interface such as the WaveCenter PCI from Frontier Design Group give me the appropriate MIDI/Audio connectivity I need to bring these two machines together?
    Kevin
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    @kevjazz said:

    Poppa,
    From what I understand, VI is not truly stand-alone. By this I mean that you need some kind of VST host like V-Stack if you're going to use it on a separate computer that doesn't have a dedicated sequencer on it. . Can someone confirm this? If that's the way it is, can a GSIF2 compatible interface such as the WaveCenter PCI from Frontier Design Group give me the appropriate MIDI/Audio connectivity I need to bring these two machines together?
    Kevin


    Kevin:

    I didn't know that! Clearly, it's a very important factor if correct. I hope someone will answer your question regarding the GSIF2 compatible interface (I don't have a clue) because I would like to know as well. It might be worthwhile to ask it on a thread not specifically dedicated to Sibelius so some of the other posters will see it.

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    Kevin:

    Ah, I see that you did ask this question on another thread but no one has answered it yet. Hmmm!

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    Kevin:

    Have you seen this?

    http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=7005

    Apparently, VI is indeed a true stand-alone [:D] .

    Be Well,

    Poppa
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    @PoppaJOL said:

    Kevin:

    Have you seen this?

    http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=7005

    Apparently, VI is indeed a true stand-alone [:D] .

    Be Well,

    Poppa



    That sounds great! This make it much more easy to work with...

    Martin.
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    Martin:

    I agree. This will be one of the important factors in making my decision. From everything I've read, I don't see why there should be a problem using notation programs tro send the MIDI information so, if that's really the case, and since you receive the option to use it as stand alone or plug in, it seems pretty exciting. I'm sure we'll have some routing issues and I don't really like the one instance for every track because, for large scores, it means you will have to record many passes to get the piece sequenced. Still, overall it looks like a major step forward.

    Be well,

    Poppa