I was considering buying this product after I heard the samples but after searchihng through the websites I still havent found out if it works with notation software(specifically Sibelius 3) so if ne one out there has a answer to my question please let me know
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Sibelius 3 compatibable
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Hi, I never used notation software much, so I can't say how much of what I read about is truth but generally working with notation software and VSL is believed to be slower than working with a good sequencer and VSL. You will also have some problems with the effects that you use and perhaps also with inserting some controller data manually. A few threads I think you might find useful, and I think Finale and Sibelius won't differ much for what you are asking for:
http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=5013
http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=2987
and a bit more OT perhaps:
http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=2283
Hope this helps a bit,
PolarBear
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Struggler,
Let me save you some time.
It is possible although complicated to use sampled sound in Sibelius from another host eg. Cubase, Logic.
I'll only refer to OSX and Logic/Cubase as that's the only research i've done.
I sent emails to Sibelius asking if they had plans to accomodate large sample libraries in future upgrades or versions. The short answer was no, but i suspect as hardware and other software companies get on board with this, Sibelius will either keep up or die. (Ahhh, the world of competition).
With midi patchbay, for example you can get a signal into logic on several self assigned ports. (Midi PB is not a bad little utility). The real problem lies in the 'see all' Physical input in logic. I've just tried to set up a full orchestra in Sibelius, and patch each stave to logic (EXS being the ultimate aim) and play the sounds live. Each time i closed and opened the programs, the PI had assigned ports in a different order to those i specified, and i'm stumped on how to fix this.
With logic at 'STOP' oyu will only hear one track, that which is highlighted. With logic running (Play/cycle mode) it's possible to have three or four before the entire setup becomes unstable and crashes (Only my experience, and i'm no expert).
With an environment set up more suitable to NASA, with channel splitters, instrument articulations, cabling to monitors, port instruments, etc. it's a fairly large job to try and make it all work with no assurance of success. And further to that is the problem of catching all the MIDI info contained in the more subtle elements of Sibelius, something we'll have to do manually.
What is NOT in question is the value and sense in getting VSL for now and the future. It's not the samples that create the problems, but the software, in particular, Sibelius's reluctance to update their product, and the reluctance to even discuss this at length. sibelius currently uses a modified Kontakt player to give you more 'realistic' playback, but it's my experience that this is an extremely ram and cpu hungry way to go. (And again, in my opinion, the sounds are, well, erm...crap).
I've also suggested to Sibelius, and posted on many developer forums, asking for a 'Sibelius' specific plugin for Logic (exs) and Cubase, not dissimilar to Sibelius's current arrangement with another sample producer. It is also possible to use a standalone host, but again the neglect and incompatibility from Sibelius, and possibly other notation sw suppliers, will make the likelihood of a streamed and completely MIDI compatible signal between Notation and Samplle playback a little further off.
VSL is the leading edge of sample libraries (again, my opinion based on extensive research), we're simply waiting for the software and hardware manufacturers to catch up.
Many here have triumphed with both Mac and Windows setups in varying formats, and varying degrees of success. It sounds as if you and I and many others who prefer a notational input system are waiting our turn, but i think, given what i've learnt, that day may not be too far away.
I've been trying to learn to use the Notation editor in Logic, in an attempt to use better sounds, but it's not as intuitive as Sibelius and/or maybe Finale.
I'm no expert, and it's important to remember there are far better users of MIDI on this forum than me (probably most i would think!), and they may give you a better, more expert answer.
I wish you luck, and please remember, it's the software not the samples that we struggle with.
Regards,
Alex.
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@hermitage59 said:
I've also suggested to Sibelius, and posted on many developer forums, asking for a 'Sibelius' specific plugin for Logic (exs) and Cubase, not dissimilar to Sibelius's current arrangement with another sample producer. It is also possible to use a standalone host, but again the neglect and incompatibility from Sibelius, and possibly other notation sw suppliers, will make the likelihood of a streamed and completely MIDI compatible signal between Notation and Samplle playback a little further off.
Regards,
Alex.
I think that the real problem with this sort of request is unlikely to be coming from Sibelius. Unfortunately the makers of Logic/Cubase etc. seem to think that the notation feature already in their program is good, so they have no interest in making deals with other companies. Certainly I could do without all this MIDI transfer that I have to do ATM.
However, I have no doubt that it is only a matter of time before both Sibelius and F****e are forced into some sort of VST hosting.
DG
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@Struggler06 said:
I was considering buying this product after I heard the samples but after searchihng through the websites I still havent found out if it works with notation software(specifically Sibelius 3) so if ne one out there has a answer to my question please let me know
I'm a Sibelius VSL user. It works but to varying degrees of success. it depends what you want to do.
You can set up decent playback whilst creating/editing with basic samples easily. If you want to create half decent MP3s of scores then you have to have a seperate playback score to the published score. With some fairly complicated midi knowledge you can create very good performances directly from Sibelius. However if you want top notch professional renditions you have to take the midi score into a sequencer.
If your a keen amateur like me who wants the very best sounding playback with sibelius and your willing to spend some fairly serious money on your hobby then VSL is the only way to go.
DaveTubaKIng
http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/dc
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Ok thanks a lot guys from the looks of it its possible to use this program with SIbelius but it will be a serious hasle. Ok thank you very musch you just saved me a ton of money for now Kontakt player and garritan personal orchestra will have to do.
COncerto for Tuba and Orchestra January 2006 (Hopefully)
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@Struggler06 said:
Ok thanks a lot guys from the looks of it its possible to use this program with SIbelius but it will be a serious hasle. Ok thank you very musch you just saved me a ton of money for now Kontakt player and garritan personal orchestra will have to do.
COncerto for Tuba and Orchestra January 2006 (Hopefully)
Can you tell me(us) about your tuba concerto?
DaveTubaKing
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SOmething I started it was originally for Tuba and Orchestra but now im water it down to just Tuba and Brass Band. 4 Movements should be done in January of next year. If u want to hear a preview the first movement should be done by september if not earlier.
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Correction First Movement is done second movement is in the works.
Send me an e-mail and I would be happy to send u a sample to critique.
Starlyn
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I just posted a long, related reply in the main VSL forum. I think the link is this, though I'm not sure how to copy a link:
http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=5648&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
Hope that works. At any rate it's a 7/8/05 post.
About changing articulations/instruments within a stave of Sibelius, here's how I do it. I have to change the sample select within the sampler, but once that's done, you simply send whatever midi data you've chosen to make the change of instrument. For example, I'm using Control Change 2. This is CC2, or in Sibelius terms, ~C2,X...where X is your sample choice. Other people use other triggers to sample select. Many ways to do it.