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  • Perf Legato details

    Hi there

    Two queries:

    1. Vl14-perf-leg_p and Vl14-perf-leg_p-0sus ....What exactly is the 0sus for? For what use is it designed?

    2. perf legato function. When the final note of a legato phrase finishes, is there a built in 'RS' to let it fade away naturally?

    Cheers
    Neil

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    @Neil C said:

    Hi there

    Two queries:

    1. Vl14-perf-leg_p and Vl14-perf-leg_p-0sus ....What exactly is the 0sus for? For what use is it designed?

    2. perf legato function. When the final note of a legato phrase finishes, is there a built in 'RS' to let it fade away naturally?

    Cheers
    Neil


    I'm sure that someone will jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can remember:

    1) 0-sus menas that the "start" note is not played. This is useful for faster passages, as the normal "first" note has a slow attack.

    2) I think that there are RS versions of this patch, but the keyswitch is D1, so that you can trigger it manually.

    DG

  • Yes...... I see.

    I do prefer to use these resources with an 'informed knowledge' rather than pot luck! The manual is useful but can't possibly cover every query!

    Thanks v much - Neil

  • Hi!

    May I chime in here:

    1. 0sus always means a sustained noted with altered attack. The attack time is shorter, so the tone comes more "direct" (see Long Notes for comparison). With Performance Legatos, this means, that the starting notes are 0sus-notes.

    2. The Function Key "Release Trigger" takes care of Release Samples for the last note of the played Performance Legato. Press it when you are about to release the last key. To test, how the Release Sample sounds, play the last tone and press the Release Trigger Key. Keep playing the note, until it rings out, then release the key: You will hear a short Release Sound.

    HTH, Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    @Paul said:

    Hi!

    May I chime in here:

    1. 0sus always means a sustained noted with altered attack. The attack time is shorter, so the tone comes more "direct" (see Long Notes for comparison). With Performance Legatos, this means, that the starting notes are 0sus-notes.

    2. The Function Key "Release Trigger" takes care of Release Samples for the last note of the played Performance Legato. Press it when you are about to release the last key. To test, how the Release Sample sounds, play the last tone and press the Release Trigger Key. Keep playing the note, until it rings out, then release the key: You will hear a short Release Sound.

    HTH, Paul


    Yes, that was a much more sensible reply... [:)] However, a quick question on the Release Trigger. Is there a way to make it any quieter? It always seems to hit me between the eyes when the rest of the passage is not very loud.

    DG

  • Hi DG,

    this will be fixed in the next update of the Performance Tool (soon). The attack velocity of the last played will generate the velocity of the Release Sample Until now that was a fixed amount (I have to check if that is true with the EXS-Tool as well).

    2 solutions:

    1 play the Legatos with high velocity and turn the volume down in your mixer (the sound is the same, whether you are playing it with high or low velocity MIDI-wise) OR

    2 Use the RS-files you find in all the Long-Notes files and attach them manually (they are, of course, velocity-sensitive)

    Greetings, Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
  • Re your point 2):

    I'd like to suggest that you also try to experiment with simple fade-outs using C-11 controller values (expression), if you are using a regular sequencer (you can simply draw them, starting at value 127 (=max). Make sure to enter a 127 value when the note has ended, otherwise next parts will not be audible.

    If you have the strings embedded in an arrangement with other instruments this approach can sound equally good as using release samples (which introduce additional polyphony in your sampler).

    I'm a bit [:'(] that the 0Sus string instruments are not within the reach of people with Opus 1 budgets... I understand that the first "next" product that includes them is the Performance Set, at euro 1600 (First Edition)?

    HTH,

    Peter

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    @Paul said:

    Hi DG,

    this will be fixed in the next update of the Performance Tool (soon). The attack velocity of the last played will generate the velocity of the Release Sample Until now that was a fixed amount (I have to check if that is true with the EXS-Tool as well).

    Greetings, Paul


    Ahaa, it's nice to see that for once it wasn't just me being stupid.

    Ta very much...

    DG

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    @Paul said:

    Hi DG,

    this will be fixed in the next update of the Performance Tool (soon). The attack velocity of the last played will generate the velocity of the Release Sample Until now that was a fixed amount (I have to check if that is true with the EXS-Tool as well).


    This is good news!

    Topic hijack:
    I'd also like to remind VSL that there are quite a few performance string notes in the Opus 1 release that really are too loud in the context of their neighbour notes! Sometimes this is so apparent, that it is hardly possible to correct them with lowering their velocity values! Maybe someone can look into this problem at VSL? I think this really deserves a fix, as it often makes it impossible to create legato lines without tweaking individual notes. I am surprised that this has passed VSL's internal quality control checks.

    Regards,

    Peter
    www.PeterRoos.com