Lexicon or TC 6000 ?

[SyQuEsT]

Hello,

I'm looking of a Lexicon or a TC 6000 (maybe TC 4000). How many of you use it ? Can I hear some mix made with a Lexicon ? made with a TC 6000 ? of course, demos should be with VSL (if possible).

Thank you

[PolarBear]

I know of Maarten Spruijt who used a MPX550 for some of his demos, but don't know if that was everything.

[SyQuEsT]

Where can I hear some demos ?

[Peter Roos]

I believe all his demos for VSL use this particular Lexicon.
However, keep in mind that there is a huge difference in price and sound between the MPX550 and boxes like the TC 6000 and Lexicon 960!

You can also find demos from Maarten here:

http://www.maartenspruijt.com/musicdemos.html

Personally I would rather buy a Mac with Altiverb or wait a few months until PC's deliver the same quality as Altiverb with GigaPulse and/or other convolvers with new impulse libraries.

Regards,

Peter

[SyQuEsT]

Yes, I know ... and I know that Spiderman II uses Gigapulse and a TC 6000

[Peter Roos]

Source? [:D]

[SyQuEsT]

Of course :

http://www.tascam.com/Press/UserStories/Bart_Hendrickson_and_Train_Score_A_Hit_with_GigaStudio_for_the_Spiderman_2_soundtrack.html">http://www.tascam.com/Press/UserStories/Bart_Hendrickson_and_Train_Score_A_Hit_with_GigaStudio_for_the_Spiderman_2_soundtrack.html

[:D]

[Peter Roos]

Ah, I was confused, I thought you meant GigaPulse on Danny Elfman's score. [[;)]]

Bart worked on a featured pop song.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316654/fullcredits

BTW, weird to see that even John Debney contributed some music to this movie.

[SyQuEsT]

Next week, I will try a TC 6000 ... more information soon

[SyQuEsT]

I have it !!! I'm trying it !!! wow ... you have what you want (some Lucas Film presets too). It's so wonderful ... you put VSL musical instruments where you want ! [:)]

[Peter Roos]

Hey SyQuEsT,

You have bought this expensive box? Or rented one? Just curious [[;)]]

I am still considering to do a high-quality impulse sampling project of the TC 6000 and the Lex 960L.

I am still not sure though how much the modulation and randomisation algorithms contribute to the final sound. These aspects are hard, if not at all, to capture with impulses.

After reading technical papers from David Griesinger (main man behind the Lex) I get the impression that these boxes are actually better than sampled spaces, as they tend to give a perceptually more pleasing space, instead of a physically "correct" space. Let's not forget that our sensory systems are very "subjective" and not "objective".

Cheers,

Peter
www.PeterRoos.com

[SyQuEsT]

We rent one here at the studio. We are testing some options (stereo to 5.1, 5.1 to stereo, stereo mix, etc etc etc). If the test is wonderful, we will buy one unit [:)]

System 6000 is very easy to use but I don't know about the Lexicon 960

[Dietz]

The System 6000 is much more intuitive and easier to handle than the 960. It is simply the more recent concept. Soundwise, it is a matter of taste - some like the "kitsch"-factor of the Lexicons more, while others (like me) tend to prefer the puristic approach of the t.c.-algorithms.

Apart from that, it's quite understandable that both companies tend to badmouth convolution, as they put enormous efforts into the development of their algorithms. Nevertheless, I made the experience that as soon as it comes to virtual _RE_creation of an orchestral setting nothing beats the real thing. It's like the difference between re-synthesis and sampling.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library

[GTBannah]

@Dietz said:

The System 6000 is much more intuitive and easier to handle than the 960. It is simply the more recent concept. Soundwise, it is a matter of taste - some like the "kitsch"-factor of the Lexicons more, while others (like me) tend to prefer the puristic approach of the t.c.-algorithms.

Apart from that, it's quite understandable that both companies tend to badmouth convolution, as they put enormous efforts into the development of their algorithms. Nevertheless, I made the experience that as soon as it comes to virtual _RE_creation of an orchestral setting nothing beats the real thing. It's like the difference between re-synthesis and sampling.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library

.... the "kitsch"-factor ....
?!?! [*-)]

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It's like the difference between re-synthesis and sampling.

[:D]

[Dietz]

@GTBannah said:

[...]
.... the "kitsch"-factor ....
?!?! [*-)]

... everything just that tiny little bit nicer, better and more colourfull than in real life. :-]

/Dietz