The Prague orch definitely has basses doubling the cellos (at the octave)... that's the only obvious addition I'd make.
J.
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Playing what piece, jbm?! Just about every classical piece does that. I mean, it's not like the conductor just tells the basses to read over their shoulders!
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Huh?
Nick, I'm sorry but I don't get what you're saying...
By "Prague orch" I meant the original recording posted above, the one Carter is trying to replicate. It sounded, to me, as though there were no Basses at all on the VSL version, so I was just pointing out that doubling the celli with basses would fill out the sound -- that it was the basses that were "missing".
J.
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A lot of the pieces use only one voice for bass instruments, that may contain basson, double basses and celli playing in unison, while double basses transpose everything noted on paper an octave down (E3 may be noted and stroked by the player, but the outcoming sound equals an E2).
The double bass players should look over the cellists shoulders in order to see their notes to get those played and playing in unison.
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Wow, I'm getting confused...
It seems like there's two lines of communication going on here, one that refer's to the _sound_ of a piece, and the other that refers to the way it's written on paper. Personally, I still write directly to score -- Finale, step input, note-by-note -- so I'm always thinking in terms of how an idea is presented on paper (and yes, this does immediately take into account concert pitch, transposing instruments, and so on). So I can't quite understand where the confusion's coming from in this thread... But it's bringing up some interesting thoughts, in my head anyway, about what we mean when we say "score".
In fact, I'm going to start a new thread in "Orchestration...", just to see where this discussion goes!
J.
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Double basses doubling celli means playing the same note* results in unison lines. The other possibility is that celli and double basses do not play the same notes* written on paper too, they are representing two voices of their own, just like the violins have their own voice in an arrangement.
PolarBear
*pitch=note - not to confuse even more [;)]
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Huh?
Sorry PolarBear, I really wasn't looking for any explanation. I'm in no way unclear on these basic principles of orchestration. Actually, I was just trying to respond to that very strange statement of Nick's, without being rude. In fact, I still can't figure out what he was getting at with the "over the shoulder" thing... hmmm.
Anyway... The quick explanation of my original reply: I listened to the Prague orchestra recording, and listened to Carter's demo. The Prague recording had basses doubling celli (yes, that does mean "at the octave"), so I mentioned it to help Carter. That's all.
J.
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I didn't understand that the post was about a particular recording, jbm. Without that context, the post I was answering seemed strange!
But I think we're on the same page now...