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  • Mono or Stereo when it is sampled in a silent room ?

    Z
    Z
    Hi all,
    On a sampler program like strings or basson , when there is no reverb, no reflexion sounds is it interesting to work in stereo ?
    don't you think it is better to add a nice reverb on mono track ?

    for example, the VSL in Mono sounds very good in Mono and not specially better in stereo !
    The difference is that I can open more instruments !

    any point of view ...

    zGo
  • N
    N
    Everything's definitely wider in stereo, and actually there are reflections on the recordings - just very short reverb.

    But if you want to work in mono, Chicken Systems (www.chyckensys.com, I think) has a special routine to convert VSL to mono. I'm personally too lazy to go to the trouble of converting everything, loading and unloading, etc. - the performance in stereo is good enough on Giga or EXS for me not to want to bother with it.

    That is an option, though.
  • P
    P
    I have converted all my solo instruments this way and I am very happy with the memory it frees AND with the better positioning with Early Reflection and Ambience processing.

    Of course I am talking about orchestral mockups, not small ensembles. A solo flute or trombone "recorded" (=emulated recording) at 10-12 meters does not need the stereo ER information of the silent stage, IMO.

    Mono instruments are also very easy to pan: with midi! For proper panning of stereo sounds you need a plugin like S1 or a true stereo pan control.

    For close up smaller ensembles you should pick the stereo originals of course.
  • C
    C
    i advise you not to convert Horn Ensemble or simply brass ensemble in mono, because you'll lose a lot
  • P
    P
    Solo instruments can be easily converted to mono. Of course not the ensemble patches [:P]
  • Z
    Z
    Thank you for those comments ...
  • C
    C
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    @Peter Roos said:

    Solo instruments can be easily converted to mono. Of course not the ensemble patches [:P]


    Oops sorry i've some difficulties with English [:D]
  • N
    N
    I'm not sure whether I'm being clever, stupid or normal with this, but I have some thoughts on this debate.

    I like to have my instruments panned according to their "correct" location, and apply reverb to the entire orchestra (a single reverb seems to bind them together somehow). However, I also like to simulate an ambient pair of mikes by also panning each instrument full left and right, then mixing in a greater or lesser amount of this ambience with the "main" orchestra.

    However, I think if you use mono, this will not be possible - your single instruments (e.g. bassoons, flutes) would be panned to exactly where you put them in the ambient mix as well (probably the center). Then you cannot get a room ambience to layer with your specific mix.

    I'm sure I'm probably misunderstanding how you are "meant" to do this, and would appreciate everybody's thoughts and/or guidance.

    Nick.
  • P
    P
    I position mono instruments into a virtual room with Cakewalk SoundStage and from then on it is stereo information again (only short ER's added). After this, I add global convolution reverb, either on the entire mix, or on submixes (woods, brass, perc, strings).

    For your approach I would simply use separate busses and fiddle with two send buttons to "pan" a mono instrument again into another stereo field, at another location.

    Maybe I don't understand your approach well enough, but it looks like a multi-channel mix setup to me, which is converted to stereo in the final step.

    Cheers,

    Peter