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    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for your replies. Evan, I'd be happy to go into details, but I'm not sure if it would be fair on Herb to potentially promote other sample libraries on his website.......

    Andy Blaney.
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    beautiful, Andy. absolutely beautiful, in every aspect.

    best regards... ...jim
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    @Andy B said:

    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for your replies. Evan, I'd be happy to go into details, but I'm not sure if it would be fair on Herb to potentially promote other sample libraries on his website.......

    Andy Blaney.
    Ok, sorry. You're completely right. But of course, we talk about EVERYTHING here. It goes completely unmoderated.

    in any event, could you email me the list?

    vsluser@evanevans.org

    Thanks so much,
    Evan Evans [:)]
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    @evanevans said:

    [...] But of course, we talk about EVERYTHING here. It goes completely unmoderated.
    [...]


    Always asking for trouble, ain't we, Mr. Evans?

    Stick to the rules. PLEASE.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    my feeling is herb refused to reply to not prolongate this intermezzo (is this even english?) - but let me step in ...

    @Another User said:

    ... but I'm not sure if it would be fair on Herb to potentially promote other sample libraries on his website

    if you mention other libraries that match as well with VSL as they do in your piece, it could only be promotion for VSL - no?
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Absolutely CM. if you got 'em flaunt 'em. There's no better salesman than a confident one.

    Evan Evans
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    @Andy B said:

    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for your replies. Evan, I'd be happy to go into details, but I'm not sure if it would be fair on Herb to potentially promote other sample libraries on his website.......

    Andy Blaney.


    Andy, Herb is one of the most gracious people I know, and one who is secure with himself and his work. I don't see any problem in putting up your instrument list. Afterall, VSL doesn't have muted brass, and a few other articulations as yet. So seeing how you innovated and supplemented this great library would indeed be a great treat for all of us.

    Please consider it.

    Peter Alexander
    peter@truespec.com
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    Peter,

    I agree. Come on Andy, let's see 'em. We're calling your "hand"!

    [:)]

    Evan Evans
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    Bravo Andy! Beautiful, Personally I really do not care if you did this with a Roland Sound Canvas [:D] or with whatever you have and like. The fact that you did use VSL patches is a guaranty for this libraries qualities. It is just great to listen to it and to admire your talent.

    Iwan Roth
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    I agree with Iwan in that I don't think it matters in the slightest what Andy used on this besides VSL which is the one really irreplaceable ingredient with its performance samples. Though I imagine the others are either Dan Dean, Miraslav, X sample, Sonic Implants, Kirk Hunter, Siedlaczek, whatever, it doesn't matter. You won't get a performance this good just by getting the same sample libraries. You'll get it by using the ones everyone already knows of with the same musical skill and knowledge of the orchestra as Andy.
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    [[:|]]
    Andy... complimenti!
    [:D]
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    Andy
    Great job! Incedible detail! I know how much work goes into creating these mockups of masterpieces. I have attempted to do one on "Holst's Saturn" from the Planets.
    I would like to hear your comments.
    Please email me at bobluna@earthlink.net and I will give you the address of the FTP server. Again, great job.
    B L
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    Oh, moon, post the link here... [:'(]
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    Mathis
    if you really want to hear this feel free to email me at bobluna@earthlink.net
    B L
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    It's all here:

    http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007538;p=1
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    This is surely music-making on the highest level!

    Please....god it is not...
    hearing the orchestra of paris play debussy's music life is MUSIC making on the highest level.
    This is computer programming on the highest level and a brillant job at that...
    but anyone with basic piano skills can buy the score to la mer and punch it out.
    I am not denying his great skill at using this software....perhaps the best I have heard anywhere...wonderful job
    but lets not call this music making for the sake of the musicians that are playing the works of debussy(and the like) and have worked for 8 hours a day there whole life and born with talent to do it.
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    Interesting point, Whilst I agree entirely that there's a huge danger of loosing touch with the art of real, live musical performance - It would be a catastrophe if that were to happen - ...

    @Another User said:

    but lets not call this music making for the sake of the musicians that are playing the works of debussy(and the like) and have worked for 8 hours a day there whole life and born with talent to do it.


    This is where the debate becomes interesting: does music-making stop when the instrument used is not a violin, a clarinet, a flute...? To me, if the artistic elements of musical expression are all there, then I'm happy to apply the term 'musician' to the person responsible. Of course, the work was meant to be played by 70 or 80 musical personalities, brought together by one more: the conductor. In this case, we heard the result of just one musical personality 'performing' the work. But that's not enough to me to invalidate it as a work of artistic musical performance.

    I'd add just one more thing: you mention live performance, and this is something completely irreplacable, both musically and experientially. But compare this track to an orchestral recording, and the edges get blurred. Records are [often] one big illusion. There might be 800 edits on the CD. That's 800 notes, the timing of which was NOT a result of the musicians who played, but of the editing engineer afterwards. That's 800 moments where the artistry of the editor 'played' the music. Let's put it another way: the CD was 'played' by the editor using 800 'samples'! I know this is bending the terms a long way, but the divisions are far from clear-cut. Using samples is like a recording made with an edit for every note (happens sometimes in difficult passages, BTW). The more edits (extreme case: sampling) the more the musicality has to come from the editor (or Andy B in the case of the track we're discussing), rather than the instrumentalists. We've shifted the centre of music-making - but we've not REPLACED it. And I'm confident that we never will.

    That's all. Long answer, but I felt this should be said.

    Thanks,

    Simon
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    You are profoundly wrong.

    This is NOT computer programming. It is first of all knowledge of Debussy, secondly, knowledge of orchestral conducting and performance, thirdly, being a good musician, and not fourth but somewhere down the line, computer programming.

    If you get a Debussy score yourself and "punch it out" you may find it isn't quite as easy as you think to create this kind of musicality.

    William Kersten
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    well william I agree but the order is mixed up in what it takes...

    Listen I am a professional classical musician full time...juilliard the whole deal.....and..
    I think what this guy did is great and I think the software is great.
    I think this could start a war and I mainly wanted to address that people are forgetting what real music is more and more in today's society....
    If this person had composed this music and used GS to make his ideas come to life I would not discredit him in the slightest...
    transcribing a score to a sequencer on any level no matter how advanced is nothing compared to the work a full orchestra does or the gifts that are present in a room full of musicians that could play La Mer at a professional level....not even close. Lets not forget that.
    As a professional orchestal musician I will say this though about the work discussed here.....the tech is impressive and the job he did is very impressive.......or to use a better word....scary for me.
    It still sounds sterile and cold to a trained ear but nonetheless the best I have heard at a symphonic level to date and a brillant job.
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    Using samples is like a recording made with an edit for every note (happens sometimes in difficult passages, BTW).


    uhhh....sorry no....not in the classical world...in other arenas I do not have the knowledge to comment.
    I recorded La Mer in tokyo in suntory hall...each mvt one take....no edits...
    no conductor would ever allow such editing at any professional level....
    that type of editing destroys the music.
    There is editing but not to this extent and only when totally nesscary...

    ok I should not write on this topic anymore [:)]....it is what I do and I will just go on and on...
    Ill shut up now.