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  • UAD-1 and the search for realistic reverb

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    Hey guys,

    I've been doing the DAW thing for the last five years and even with upgrading to Cubase SX and getting all the new plug-ins with that software I am still incredibly disappointed with the reverb and DSP sounds. I am looking forward to the MIR project nearing completion, but in the mean time, I was wondering if anyone out there is using the UAD-1 on their samples, and if so, how do they sound?

    Can anyone recommend some plug-ins that fool your ears as easily as VSL does?

    Thanks,
    AL
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    I've had the same problems and think that right now there is nothing that approaches hardware reverb like Lexicon. In direct comparison all the plugins I've tried are pathetic. I also would like to get some recommendations by people who have actually used great sounds like the Lexicon but want an internal plugin that can substitute without compromise, though basically I have the impression that there isn't anything right now - which is why the MIR is needed.
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    VSL Team
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    AL,

    if you're on a Mac, get AltiVerb from AudioEase, if you're on a PC, get SIR. Both are convolution-plugins. In any case, get the impulse-responses from Numerical Sounds, and you will have the finest "real" (opposed to: "artificial/pop") reverbs available today.

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library

    PS to Herb/Paul: How about moving this thread to the Mixing/PostPro-forum ...?
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    dietz: you mentioned SIR how do you feel about trueverb??
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    I agree 100% with Dietz. Note that SIR doesn't currently support 24-bit impulses, and you have to specify which bit-depth you want to purchase for the Numerical Sounds impulses.
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    @Another User said:

    I've had the same problems and think that right now there is nothing that approaches hardware reverb like Lexicon.


    I sold one of my NuVerb cards (which are Lexicon 300s on digital I/O-only card - in the same family as the PCM90, etc. - half a 480) a few months ago. There was just no need for two of them now that I have Altiverb.

    Don't get me wrong, there are still some great programs in the NuVerb, and I would never want to do a pop mix without having that rich, thick Lexicon sound available. But Lexicon's spaces are famous, yet I hate those halls next to the Altiverb!
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    @slaroussels said:

    I agree 100% with Dietz. Note that SIR doesn't currently support 24-bit impulses, and you have to specify which bit-depth you want to purchase for the Numerical Sounds impulses.


    Thanks for the tip with Numerical Sounds impulses! Thought I'd pass on, from having spoken at great lenth to Ernest at Numerical Sounds, that he strongly recommends 24 bit for this purpose - the low-level information is very critical. That would suggest therefore Acoustic Mirror rather than SIR. Anyone know of any problems with acoustic mirror? (Sound Forge).

    Simon
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    Acoustic Mirror cannot be used in realtime, you have to use it to process a mix or submix. I prefer to make submixes of groups of instruments in Logic, import these submixes and align them with the other audio tracks or playing midi tracks, and then process the submixes (outside of Logic) with Acoustic Mirror from within SoundForge, 100% "wet". If you then re-open the Logic project, you essentially have a number of ambience tracks that you can mix with the other (dry) tracks.

    During midi work I use one or two reverb plugins (4080L and Waves RenVerb), so I wait with applying reverb impulses until I make an audio mix.

    Ernest's impulses are indeed best used as 24 bit files. I have the Classical Spaces and they are absolutely great!

    Cheers,

    Peter
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    Since Version 0.86 SIR supports 24Bit files.

    Andreas
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    Thanks Peter for that - If that's what you're using, then I can rest assured that it will work. If SIR works in 24bit then that's an option too I suppose. It means getting a different host apllication (VST) though... I wonder whether SIR works with 32bit floating point audiofiles. Ernest said if I understood correctly that you can with acoustic mirror - because that's another step up still that "would be audible"...

    Anyway thanks for the help,

    Simon
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    Is SIR better than the Samplitude's Room Simulation ?

    Thank you,

    Mathieu Laprise
    Sonomax inc.
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    I've been playing with the Samplitude demo today. It really is very good, and you can process in 'real' (slightly delayed of course) time - not possible with Acoustic Mirror (and SIR?...). Ernest at Numerical Sounds suggested Samplitude sounded slightly better than Acoustic Mirror. He had given up on SIR after trying an earlier version.
    I'm tempted to buy Samplitude. I've never regretted spending a bit more on vital tools like this before...
    Anyone done a comparison?...

    This is quite an exciting area I think!

    Al the best,

    Simon