My point is, that if they aren't willing to learn this stuff then they SHOULD come to people like you and stop complaining about money or worry about the " [:)]

And yes they COULD learn it. Most of these people in the study probably haven't taken the time to. Not having hte time to learn it, and not being able to learn it are two different things.

and that study is too "general" anyway.

lastly if they DONT think about all these options and technologies, then what the hell are they doing in computer music making?

You CAN write music without this stuff,

have it performed, or hire someone to make the performance via MIDI.

There will always be "simple" computer options for computer illiterate musicians, and more will always show up, but its IMPOSSIBLE to get extremely advanced technology and to any point where they wont have to think about the options and technology. That is until computers get even faster and more intelligent enabling for one to write even more software that will "do things for you".

So having them focus on Piii's is a waste if its about simplicity.

Also, its not attitudes like this that keep people out of "this industry". You AHVE to be willing to learn some things, and it DOES take time. If you dont learn to use Giga Studio, or your sequencer, what the hell are you going to do?

You even offer classes and books and such for Logic, how are these people finding the time to learn this stuff? It takes time and its not easy. Just like learning about Computers and their properties. You dont have to learn EVERYTHING in either, jsut enough to understand how to do things, or what does what.

@KingIdiot said:

My point is, that if they aren't willing to learn this stuff then they SHOULD come to people like you and stop complaining about money or worry about the " [:)]

Actually, no.

The purchasing expectation is that the customer should be provided enough comprehensible basic training materials to get his start from the OEM, NOT on his own, and NOT from third party. Third party training in music is always the last resort, not the first.

As good examples outside of music: Macromedia University, Adobe Online Training (paid), Truespace online 3D art classes, Adobe Press, Microsoft Press.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you about the study. It only confirms what those of us who train already know by experience. Creating a program is one art, being able to train people in it is the other art.

Alexander Publishing has been creating training guides in music technology since the DX7. Over the years, we've learned that people want to know enough to be productive and do the most fundamental tasks first. At AP, we believe that technology serves music. So our viewpoint is that the more the customer knows about music, composition and orchestration the more able he/she is to decide and priortize what part of the technology they need to learn for what they're trying to do. Such an approach puts technology training on a procedural, need-to-know basic.

@herb said:

Will it only work with VSL? How about other libraries that were also recorded in stereo and not panned to position?


MIR will work with all samples which don't have too much ambience.
Of course we will optimize the setups for our sounds.
It's a great advantage to "tell" the hall engine how the samples are recorded to get best results. So we won't miss this option.

But as Dietz mentioned, there will be an interface which allows to adjust the parameters.

The important thing for me is, that our customers will get an intuitive and a perfect out of the box sounding solution for VSL sounds:

Composing
selecting your favourite concert hall,
place your instruments in this hall,
select the output format (mono - stereo - surround)
Press the "Do it" button.

Done.

best wishes
Herb

Very cool!

But does your answer mean that MIR is implemented on a Giga system, the sequencing system or an independent system like Altiverb?

With Gigastudio version 2.5 MIR will not be a Gigasystem solution.
All 3.0 issues are pure speculations at the moment.

A independent system solution like Alti Verb is the most likely solution from todays point of view.

best wishes
Herb

Peter, as King implied, I don't think learning our equipment is an all or nothing question. It's really a question of where you draw the line - and the line is very fluid for most people. I wasn't interested enough to bother learning to put together my first Giga machine from parts, for example.

Another point: Altiverb is very simple to use. Sampling halls is tricky, but the actual reverb has about three parameters. It sounds to me like MIR isn't trying to make things complicated if it's going through all the steps to place instruments in just a couple of swell foops.

Herb,

Now that you mentioned Altiverb, what will be different with MIR? Is MIR simply a VSL equivalent, or will there be more/better features?

Just curious....

Colin

@herb said:

With Gigastudio version 2.5 MIR will not be a Gigasystem solution.
All 3.0 issues are pure speculations at the moment.

A independent system solution like Alti Verb is the most likely solution from todays point of view.

best wishes
Herb

To follow up on Chris' comments, as we understand it today. Giga 3.0 development is being done on at least one P4, 2.4GHz, 533FSB using an ASUS board (Joe Bibbo's system).

So part of the R&D question is whether or not Giga 3.0 will work on PIII's or if it's totally a P4/XP approach. FYI, Cubase SX came out as XP only, but compatible for PIIIs (minium performance requirements) but best on P4s, better on dual processers.

It'll be interesting to see if Giga follows a similar development path.

@Nick Batzdorf said:

Peter, as King implied, I don't think learning our equipment is an all or nothing question.

I never once said it was, nor suggested, nor implied that it should be.

Now that you mentioned Altiverb, what will be different with MIR? Is MIR simply a VSL equivalent, or will there be more/better features?

I can't go too much into details, but maybe this helps for better understanding:

In the early days of sampling, an instrument was often sampled at only one key and one dynamic, because of RAM limitations.
Early sampled pianos were massively streched over the whole range, and the programmers made workarounds using filtering and other tools to get a proper sound.

Today it's usual to have multivelocity chromatically sampled pianos.

This is similiar to our MIR project.
Basically we want to organize response samples on different room positions with different directions. So MIR supports for each instrument on each room position an individual impulse.

This was my main concept, the technicians are at the moment going beyond my basic inputs, but here I'm getting lost as a simple "musician".
[:O]ops:

best wishes
Herb

... is it also going to be possible to develop MIR such that it can be fed actual audio from outside VSL too? I ask because a lot of projects involve combining live sound with VSL instruments. The system would also gain a massive potential user base then, including those working entirely with 'live' audio. Just wondering, hoping (and/or hinting [[;)]] )

Thanks,

Simon

... is it also going to be possible to develop MIR such that it can be fed actual audio from outside VSL too? I ask because a lot of projects involve combining live sound with VSL instruments. The system would also gain a massive potential user base then, including those working entirely with 'live' audio.

Simon,

What you've noted above is essential. One can't exclude other instruments from the mix. I often use a single solo live player to play a key element in a recording. He'd have to be put in the "same room"!

Regards - Colin

I have been looking around, and I have found that Windows 2000 will not support four gigs of RAM. I will need to buy a server operating system such as windows server 2003 standard editon.