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  • Altiverb - worth it?

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    N
    I'm very seriously considering buying a G4 for the sole purpose of running Altiverb with VSL. I'm currently using a TC M3000 which is pretty darn good - but doesn't sound truly like a concert hall.

    So, is there anyone out there who can tell me if Altiverb is worth the price of a G4 and the plugin? Am I going to be surprised in six months and find out there is an equal or better newly-released solution native to the PC? (for me, Acoustic Mirror doesn't cut it.) Any insight would be appreciated.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Yes, AltiVerb is worth the money, and yes, I'm sure you will be surprised (maybe not in six month, but not much more).

    My very personal 0.02 Euro :-]

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I
    I also use Altiverb since over a year. For me it also is definitely worth the money. I do use it all the time in combination with a Waves Reverb for placement in space. But remember that you need a very powerful Mac if you want to be able to use it in NO LATENCY mode. Altiverb stereo – stereo and the Waves Ren. Reverb, used Simultaneously, takes about 70 % of my G4 1.25 MH / 1 GB RAM resources!

    Iwan
  • N
    N
    Dietz,
    Care to offer any more hints than that? [:)]

    I think I'm going to go for the G4 regardless. Hopefully I'll be able to use it in conjunction with whatever it is your hinting at a year from now.

    Thanks for the responses.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Thing is that there _are_ already options for the PC, like the Convolution Reverb of the new Samplitude/Sequioa. And I'm sure that this is only the first hint for new approaches to realistic, three-dimensional reverbation.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    So, I went ahead and bought a new 1ghz G4 for the purpose of running Altiverb. Apparently, these new Macs force you to use OS X (there is no dual boot option.) I've also read that you can't even install OS 9 on them if you wanted to if it's one of the newer Macs. Problem is, I can't get Performer to run in "classic" mode of OS X, nor is my audio card supported by OS X.

    Has anyone out there been succesful in using Altiverb on a newer mac, and if so, what software/hardware are you using to accomplish it?

    Thanks in advance,
    -sla
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    Y
    I don't altiverb works with OS X yet. I couldn't find anything on thier site that mentioned it was compatable.
    You can still buy new g4's with os 9 from apple. your choices are limited but it is possible. Personally I would buy a used one off ebay or something.
    There is a FREE PC copy of Altiverb on a site called noisevault.com. I don't know if it's good or not. worth a try.
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    N
    I wish you'd posted three or four months ago, heheh. [:)]

    I bought a G4 in mid-March that, much to my surprise at the time, only ran OSX. I found out I couldn't return it, and I've yet to use it. I prop my feet up on it from time to time but that's about it.
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    Are you 100% sure it can't start up under OS 9.2.2? I know you're not supposed to be able to do that, but have you actually tried?
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    i checked with the altiverb guys about osX.. no dates yet// but it will be a free update for us os9 users


    i'll see if i can dig up the e.mail
  • N
    N
    100% sure, Nick. I tried all the tricks my mac user buddies knew and none of them worked. I spent about a week trying different things. Apparently there's something built into the firmware that prevents a startup from OS9.

    I talked to the Altiverb guys too in March and they made it sound like OSX support was just around the corner back then too. If it isn't soon, it may be irrelevant when VSL's MIR stuff comes out.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    I dare to predict that AudioEase will be faster with their update than we will be with the developement ... :-/

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    J
    Altiverb is now available for OSX for a variety of audio formats:

    HTDM, MAS, RTAS, VSTi, AU, etc. More information is here:
    http://www.audioease.com/
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    @yeehaanow said:

    There is a FREE PC copy of Altiverb on a site called noisevault.com. I don't know if it's good or not. worth a try.


    I've checked this out, and it could be pormising - esp. as a low-investment, saving-up-for-MIR-when-it-comes option. But I've looked everywhere for .wav format impulses of real concert halls (like there exists for Altiverb). Does anyone know where they can be found? There's lots of impulses from reverb units, but that defeats the purpose! The combination of the PC VST plugin SIR (see the link above) and some good wav impulses could be quite usable...

    Anyone have any good links? These MUST exist, surely?!

    Thanks,

    Simon
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    D
    So far I'm not seeing much about the GigaPulse in this thread but that is something to look into along this line. Its going to be like a rack of Alt verbs and then some. Similar to MIR and all real time. Hope that helps
    Dave
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    just to underline that .... _similar_ to MIR, because the M stands for multiple ... anyway, it looks like some great development happens at tascam
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    P
    "So far" - was GigaPulse already announced in August? [:P]

    PolarBear
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    Gigapulse, like GS 3.0, is likely to be vaporware, or, at the very least, will be irrelevant when MIR comes out.
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    D
    I have an altiverb question for you "power" users......

    I am outputting an instrument directly to altiverb for 100% wet use, but even using a Waves S1, when i use any of the large halls or churches, everything seems to be panned centrally, no matter what i do, and i cant seem to move anything to sound where i want it to in the stereo specturm...

    i am getting some good distance perception, but only centrally, until i remove the altiverb and then it is fine again....

    What am i doing wrong?


    regards

    David T
  • N
    N
    You should be getting *some* lateral positioning, but my guess is that this is happening because you're using it 100% wet. Those Altiverb samples are taken at some distance, where the angles are quite shallow.

    The same thing happens with the EWQLSO far mic positions for the same reason, by the way; you don't get as precise a lock on where the instrument is sitting as with the closer samples.

    Dietz suggested using a negative predelay to integrate the VSL recordings' early reflections with the Altiverb tail, and that works really well a lot of the time.