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  • Legato ... how fast ?

    S
    S
    Hello,

    How fast can you use the legato tool with the Performance Set ? I mean, can you play fast (8th, 16th, 32th) in legato mode ?

    Thank you,

    Mathieu Laprise
    Sonomax inc.
  • K
    K
    Mathieu -

    I was playing around with the performance tool this morning on multiple instruments, and was easily getting 64th note runs without a problem. It's truly an amazing thing to hear a scale the way a real player would play it.

    Kevin
  • S
    S
    ok but can I play (i.e.) :

    G-A-G-B-G-C-G-D-G-E-G-F-G-G [...]

    very fast in legato mode ?

    or just G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G ...

    Thank you,

    Mathieu
    Sonomax inc.
  • K
    K
    Yes, you can play what you typed (although remember that for a real player, what you typed would be technically difficult as 64th notes [:)]). It doesn't matter if you're not a piano player, either - the legato tool includes a feature where you can set the time interval between successive notes to make the instrument still play legato.
  • N
    N
    Have you payed any special attention to bowing matters in the strings legato playing?

    And how about double stops in the strings?
  • H
    H
    The legato tool uses gigfiles with already more than 24 (stereo) dimensions. (12 different up and 12 down intervall samples) Gigastudi0 2.5 only supports 16 stereo dimensions, we've tricked a little [[;)]]

    If we would difference between up and down bows, we would need more than 48 dimensions, which is impossible in the moment.

    By the way, every string player is trained, that up and down bow sounds similiar. If you could detect the bowing direction (in an ensemble!) during legato playing, than you are listening to very bad players.

    The natural random effect is much more important. You have 24 different played c4 for example. Which one is triggered depends on the key you've played before.


    No double stops are recorded until now. We don't know if we will record them for ensemble strings. Much more important are for example arpeggios. IMO.

    best wishes
    Herb
  • N
    N
    Thanks for your reply, Herb!

    "By the way, every string player is trained, that up and down bow sounds similiar. If you could detect the bowing direction (in an ensemble!) during legato playing, than you are listening to very bad players."

    This is very true! But how well does the tool reproduce z.b. a fast line of lets say 12 notes played in one bow.. Or for that matter a slow pp legato line also in one bow motion like in Mahlers 2nd symph 2nd movement m.m.21 and forwards (celli, vle and vls.)..
    I'm not trying to do some sort of "oh, but can you do that then..." and I know there are technical limitations still, as you wrote. But would you describe the agility of the legato tools for the upper strings as being able to replace common presampled runs (like in Advanced Orchestra etc.) or is there still some way to go before this can be achieved?

    "No double stops are recorded until now. We don't know if we will record them for ensemble strings. Much more important are for example arpeggios. IMO."

    I, for one, would looove to see some marcato (Sffz) double stops of the most comon intervals, at least for the violins. I tried to mock up the famous passage from Stravinskys "sacre" (rehearsal mark 13) with the G.O.S. library, but had to realize it just didnt make it with unison samples layered as double stops. Do you see my point?
  • H
    H
    It works for faster movements than I expected.

    For woodwinds and brass there are perf-grace_legato gigfiles.
    They work same as the normal perf-legati, perfect for really fast runs or arpeggios.

    We are testing now tremolo intervall steps played by strings.
    Here I expect a natural random effect. IMO this is very important for ensembles to sound realistic in superfast movements. We'll see.

    best wishes
    Herb
  • N
    N
    Yes, those perf-grace legatos are wonderful.

    What do you mean by tremolo intervals for the strings? Are you referring to measured tremolos going from note to note in a variety of tempos? That would certainly be exciting.
  • N
    N
    In addition to the arpeggios Herb mentioned, I think it would also be very useful to have a full measure or two of repeated intervals taken on one bow in several tempos. For example, minor 3rds in 8ths at 120bpm (C Eb C Eb C Eb, etc.) The realism would be astounding, but what a bear to record! Maybe for one of the later hard drive editions?