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  • How do you guys fare against the competition?

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    Hi everyone. I see that East West is coming out with a Symphonic library themselves. It's at NAMM and looks very intersting as their approach is different than Vienna's. Instead of creating samples for Gigastudio and other samplers, East West is going to be a stand alone app just for their symphonic library. I just wanted to know what Vienna as a whole things of their approach. I was more sure of buying Vienna's orchestral package but now I don't know as East West's approach seems very intersting! What's everyone's thought on this?
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    I checked out both at NAMM yesterday.

    They are both awesome libs, and two different approaches to sampling IMO. Not only in respect o what plays it back, but the actual samples.

    I find that EWQLSO is more focused on the "sound" and having multiple artifulations as well as using it as a "one stop" orchestral lib

    and VSL is more focused on getting realistic performances with its tools, as well as consistancy in sampling methods (getting the same types of dynamics and sample lengths etc), to also be a "one stop" orchstral library.

    As of right now, both libs have their strengths and weaknesses, as with anything. (in fact each of the libraries strengths are exactly the other libraries weaknesses)

    EWQLSO, lack of the "performance" tools and sample technique that VSL has.

    VSL, lack of the simplified control of "tone" of the samples (via multiple mics) in EWQLSO

    In the end (if you MUST choose), its going to be something you have to decide for yourself. Which is more important to you "performance realism" or "ambience realism".

    both libraries are honestly excelent, and will astound many users.
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    Thanks for your response [[:)]]. I myself am going to NAMM tomorrow to see for myself about these two libraries in person. How are they demonstrated? Another point though that seems important is price difference....Vienna's price in total for the pro edition will be around 5,000 dollars where East West's orchestra will be 3,000 with a higher samplerate. I believe though that Performance is the most important to not limit a composer on a keyboard...if East West's pro is just about mic positions and ambience than Vienna would be a good choice to me as I want to be able to do many techniques and just use a reverb of my choice on the instruments for the orchestra. [[:)]]
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    That is a very interesting bit of info, and I like especially the idea of a dedicated platform that doesn't need other companies messed up samplers. In other words, not being dependent on whether somebody else does their job right! I would be in heaven if VSL had their own, fully functional sampler specifically for their awesome library.

    I am very eager to hear if this East west library has the detail of VSL. I have been extracting the samples for my own programming, and it is unbelievable in its variation of samples, and their perfect, noiseless recordings.

    Also perhaps using both of these libraries could be an option as a kind of hugely extended example of what was true of the Miraslav vs. Siedlaczek libraries, which complemented each other.

    Please give some more specifics on your reactions to the library if you have the time.
    Thanks,
    William
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    Well when I talk about ambience being EW's strong point, I dont mean its the only thing good about it. There are multiple articulations and lots of sample variations. Its basically a FANTASTIC orchestral library with nearly all the articulations you could ask for in most music, and the choice to get multiple sounds via mic positions.

    I've been workign with the VSL stuff, and the legato and performance tools are incredible. This really creates a new realm in sample playback. The amount of realism I hear in these nuances is amazing. Using the performance set and the orchestral cube for consistancy is nothing short of amazing.

    BTW, EWQLSO will prolly be released in 24 bit 44.1

    As will the pro edition of VSL if I'm not mistaken.

    Again both are fantastic. The new NAMM VSL demo blew me away tho.
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    What was the NEW VSL Demo like at NAMM? How did it blow you away!? I'm going tomorrow to see for myself but please give me a hint of you telling me what it was will ruin my experience tomorrow! [:)]
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    its best left untold until you hear it [:)]

    but the nuances in the string performances were the first thing taht blew me away, then the sound of everything having "feeling", add on top of it thw composition itself was "HUGE"

    then to add more he used VotA to kick your legs out from under you, showing you how the library can still work with other libs. extremely well.
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    Thanks for that great info. Interesting they used VOTA. I got it some time ago and think it is incredible. I'm still trying to figure out its possibilities, they are so great. I agree very much that the quality of "feeling" and expressiveness is crucial. If that is captured, the music performed with the sample can have expressiveness. If it is not, the music is dead. That was one of the things I liked about Miraslav, that even though you heard a single note, it was played as if it were part of an emotional melody line. Contrast that to Siedlaczek, which sounds as if the players are in a coma or drug-induced stupor, though it was actually more detailed in quantity of sampling.

    The VSL has Miraslav's expressiveness, but multiplied by several orders of magnitude to astronomical levels.

    I am very intrigued by this Eastwest library though. Unfortunately, I am also tapped out. What we all need is permanent bank accounts for sample purchases, always kept at around five grand. Though probably some of the lucky, talented, regularly employed people here on this forum already have that? I know I don't. I'm just a scum composer who drools at the mention of new sample libraries.
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    you´re still better than me. I drool for your reviews of this library [[;)]]
  • DietzD
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    DietzD
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    As an obviously biased person, I have no need to stay "politically correct" like King does with an admirable consequence :-]

    On the Northernsounds Forum, Danny Lux (highly reputated TV-composer in the US) made a quite remarkable posting. The original thread is here:

    http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=004083">http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=004083

    The main point was:

    @Another User said:


    [...]

    I don't want to babble on too much, but to sum it up, in my opinion XXX [name of other library] sounds like excellent sounding samples. VSL sounds almost completely real and not like samples. Both libraries are excellent.

    I bought the VSL.

    [...]

    Danny Lux



    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library