Whoa! I certainly wasn't expecting that. In that case maybe the loops won't be necessary at all! Thanks.
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20 secs isn't bad at all, but then you're stuck with always using the sustain samples for long notes. Mostly okay, I imagine, but not ideal.
Maybe the members on this forum will do a Loop-fest one day and post all the data (start and end points etc) in the Files area.
There IS a Files area isn't there......?
Regards - Colin
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I've been toying with doing loops for the first edition of VSL. Atleast giving loop points. Two fold. Maybe it can help in the pro edition, and it will help VSL users make their own.
Obviously Xfades will be essential for some, but overall looping is pretty easy with the right tools.
In most cases you wont need the loops, unless you are the kind of guy who holds a triad/fifths on the violins up high, while playing a melody on the lower range of the violins all at once in realtime.
Other than that, its no biggie with the long sustains.
I think one thing to remember is that the guys at VSL have a "plan" and are really considering all aspects. Looping is, and should be IMO, secondary to sampling the rest of the orchestra.
Herb is right in considering the different looping aspects of future samplers, before compromising the samples themselves. Imagine art file updates for the next version of giga, that takess advantage of new looping features. If they were to give us, already Xfaded samples, they'd be giving us compromised Wave files that may not benefit from features that could be added via art files (multiple loop points, multiple release points from the same file, etc.)
Not to mention the amount of time it'd take for them to loop things.
While I say its an easy thing to do withthe right tools. Its not something that can be done very quickly over hundereds of thousands of wave files [:)]
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I'd like to express my appreciation to Herb for sharing his expertise in this forum and letting people know what is going on.
I would add that what king idiot said (sorry, but that's apparently your name) is what I stated previously, that having loop points crammed down your throat is extremely undesirable. I don't care who does them or what clever little system you use - I don't want them. On the other hand, the raw, 24 bit recorded sound of Viennese string players is priceless. And with twenty second sustains ---- there is no longer any point to this discussion. (Except for adding that turning shorter samples into long sustains is a musical grotesquerie that I want no part of.)
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Herb,
Usergroups on Yahoo usually have a so-called Files Area where members can upload their files to share with other users. In the case of softsynths like FM7 and Absynth, this files area would mainly consist of user-made patches to be shared with others.
If it becomes appropriate, maybe VSL could add this.
Regards - Colin
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@William said:
[....] I would add that what king idiot said (sorry, but that's apparently your name) is what I stated previously, [...]
They use to call him KING for short, and that's for a good reason ... ;-]
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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hehee, Thanks Dietz.
About loop points crammed down your throat. Thats not really an issue if the upgrade is via Gigastudio articulation files or something similar for other soft sampler formats. What you do is load a file into the editor, load the "articulation file", which contains all the looping info, and then save. Viola, all the loops are put in, in about the amount of time it took you to open, the file and save it.
and if someone cant do that....how the heck do you have the patience to listen to a note long enough to need a loop,...let alone write orchestral music in the first place [;)]
Consider Giga have automatic Crossfade looping, or multiple point looping. If VSL offers a simple Artfile update for that, you no longer have input loop points yourself.
The idea is that, the software may allow VSL to optimize the samples for later use without comprimising quality, and spending time looping files when other things can be done.
About automatic looping tools. There are actually tools that will do this. One still needs to sift through the thousands of files and make sure they sound good, and ultimately leaving it up to the computer to find the best loop point....really doesn't guarantee you'll GET the best loop point... It could be done [:)]
BTW, having 20 second samples, does not negate the need for looping. Especially if the whole "multiple loop point" thing is implimented. This is an easy way to get slight variations in playing the same sustain notes over and over, without having the need for multiple sustain samples. Any bit of extra variation is a good thing IMO (so long as its controlable)
Another idea that they could easily add is a "self staggering" option for the performance tools, that retrigger samples on its own. How cool would that be?
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Viola, all the loops are put in, in about the amount of time it took you to open, the file and save it.
lol. Sorry, but it´s "voila". In any other forum I wouldn´t have commented about this, but here the term "viola" could be terribly confusing for obvious reasons. [[;)]]
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you'll soon learn that I have a very bad Typing problem [:)]
I get hassled about the way I type the word "just" as "jsut" about any type I type it, unless I carefully type it out, like above hehee
I actually did catch that on the re read after I posted it, but thought it would be kind of funny.
spell check?....whats that?
