Using SE with Opus Bundle..?

[darienshulman]

Hey everyone. i currently own the Opus Bundle (EXS verson, Logic 7), and am considering making a purchase of the SE. I see that the SE offers more instruments, but fewer articulations; trills, runs etc are absent.

Would it sound weird if i still used the Opus Bundle for trills and runs (on EXS24) and used the SE with their VI instances for all the others?

Does 16bit versus 24bit make a noticeable difference in the sonic quality?

Thanks

Darien

[Roberto D.]

@darienshulman said:

Does 16bit versus 24bit make a noticeable difference in the sonic quality?

To me, no, and I suspect this is due to the same reason that makes an hypotetical 64-bit graphic card most probably pointless: due to physiological limits, our eyes would barely notice the difference wih a 32 bit (16,8 millions of colors) one.

I do have VI SE (24 bit) and it sounds good, but I'm seriously considering the purchase of Pro Edition (16 bit) because, IMHO, 16 bit are more than enough either for the professionist and the serious amateur.

Just my two cents.

[darienshulman]

Thanks.
I suspect you're probably right... in any event, the trills and runs would be fleating. The main reason I want to purchase the VI SE is the improved workflow.

[Roberto D.]

@darienshulman said:

The main reason I want to purchase the VI SE is the improved workflow.

A good reason indeed.
But, all considered, the money saved purchasing the Pro Edition justifies the time spent struggling with the old Performance Tool...
[;)]

[Anonymous Joe]

@darienshulman said:

Thanks.
I suspect you're probably right... in any event, the trills and runs would be fleating. The main reason I want to purchase the VI SE is the improved workflow.

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

But, all considered, the money saved purchasing the Pro Edition[quote]

I agree the timing is right to buy the pro edition library.

[Roberto D.]

@Anonymous Joe said:

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

I guess a VI Performance SE (trills, repetitions and s.o.) is to pop-up in a few months. In the meanwhile, Opus Bundle will nicely do the job.

[:)]

[Roberto D.]

@darienshulman said:

I agree the timing is right to buy the pro edition library.

Definitively yes.
I listened back again to one of the best demos done with Pro Edition (the "Blue Danube" Waltz introduction).
I dare anybody to say: "Booo, it's a 16 bit library...", but, on the other hand, Jay Bacal did an enchanting Ravel's demo with just Horizon library.

Regarding the tool, VI is light-years better than Performance Tool, but it all depends on one's wallet...

[H]

[Elan Hickler]

@Anonymous Joe said:

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

I guess a VI Performance SE (trills, repetitions and s.o.) is to pop-up in a few months. In the meanwhile, Opus Bundle will nicely do the job.

[:)]

Is this a fact? IS IT?!!? TELL MEE I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY I NRRD!...

*gasp*... What I'm trying to say is, do you think there will be a special edition 2 that comes with performance stuff like the opus 2? Cause I'm definitely wanting to buy it. You think it will cost another $1000? Do you know anything about it? Did you hear about it? Where did you hear it from? Are you sure this is coming? How do you know!? HOUW DO YOU KNOOWOWW!!!! [[[[:|]]]] [[[[:|]]]] [[[[:|]]]]

[Conquer]

Hi Darien.

IMHO:

>Would it sound weird if i still used the Opus Bundle for trills and runs (on EXS24) and used the SE with their VI instances for all the others?

No.

>Does 16bit versus 24bit make a noticeable difference in the sonic quality?

No, the difference is rather subtle.

>I guess a VI Performance SE (trills, repetitions and s.o.) is to pop up in a few months

Don't bank on it. The idea doesn't fit with what sample companies normally do!

[Anonymous Joe]

@Anonymous Joe said:

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

I guess a VI Performance SE (trills, repetitions and s.o.) is to pop-up in a few months. In the meanwhile, Opus Bundle will nicely do the job.

[:)]

That's a good point. And i hope they do. VI SE is going to be on everybody's wish list if they release every articulation missing from Opus and a little more.

About 16 and 24 bit i don't think VSL sample will suffer much as the 16 bit is focus on the instrument rather than the instrument ''and'' the ambiance you have in other libraries.

[darienshulman]

Hey everyone, thanks for the responses.

I myself was not aware that they were planning to release a 'VI Performance SE', as Coqui wrote. I really hope that's the case.

Anonymous Joe:

@Another User said:

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

Well, somewhat. Right now, with the Opus Bundle, it takes me three or more EXS instances to render a decent sounding instrumental part. Assuming I use the VI SE with Opus, I'd need one EXS for trills and one VI for everything else to create that same part. And of course, there's the VI's optimizing feature, which would cut down the time I lose freezing all the tracks. Does this make sense?

[Roberto D.]

@darienshulman said:

I myself was not aware that they were planning to release a 'VI Performance SE', as Coqui wrote.

At least I hope... [8-)]

I don't know how is called in English a person that looks in the trashcans along a street, searching for food remnants. The Pro Edition special offer makes me feel something like that, but I consider picking up the abandonware a very wise way of life. I rely on a future special offer of Vienna Instruments, too.
Sit by the river...

[;)]

[Conquer]

Hi Darien.

>Assuming I use the VI SE with Opus, I'd need one EXS for trills and one VI for everything else to create that same part. And of course, there's the VI's optimizing feature, which would cut down the time I lose freezing all the tracks. Does this make sense?

Absolutely. Go for it - the VI will help your work rate and the SE will give you a great instrumental palette to work with.

Coqui - I like the idea of buying 'abandonware' too! Regards to you and the dog.

[Anonymous Joe]

@Another User said:

You sure your work flow will improve since you're gonna have to work with tow different tools at the same time?

Well, somewhat. Right now, with the Opus Bundle, it takes me three or more EXS instances to render a decent sounding instrumental part. Assuming I use the VI SE with Opus, I'd need one EXS for trills and one VI for everything else to create that same part. And of course, there's the VI's optimizing feature, which would cut down the time I lose freezing all the tracks. Does this make sense?

I don't know! [:D] I personally would not like to have let say my legatos on one midi tracks using VI and the rest on a second midi track using a sampler for example. I would hate it I'm sure. But that's just me.

[Roberto D.]

@Conquer said:

Absolutely. Go for it - the VI will help your work rate and the SE will give you a great instrumental palette to work with.

A viable alternative, if, as me, one has a limited budget, could be going on with Opus Bundle but reinforcing the string section buying the (Extended) Appassionata Strings and, eventually, adding the Horizon Epic Horns and Horizon Woodwind Ensembles.

The grand total equals approx to the discounted Pro Edition for Opus Bundle users (±1.490 euros), but you get a far richer string (and brass) section.

I am considering also such a compromise.

[H]