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  • Bösendorfer Imperial Grand

    M
    M
    I'm looking to get a really top notch acoustic piano library, mainly for making classical recordings (cello and piano etc.). I've listened to the Vienna Instruments Bösendorfer examples, and they sound great. Only thing is I'm using Pro Tools HD on a (PPC) Mac G5, which is connected via MIDI to a dedicated Gigastudio PC, which currently doesn't have a sequencer installed.
    I understand there are some issues at the moment using Vienna Instruments with Pro Tools, so I don't think this is an option for me right now? Does anybody know if there will be a Giga version of this library, or are all of these new libraries only available as Vienna Instruments, forever?!
    The other option would be to install a sequencer on the PC, although this seems a bit excessive. Any ideas on what the cheapest way to do this would be which would allow me to install/run the Bösendorfer Vienna Instrument plugin? Perhaps I wouldn't need the most up to date version of the sequencer, maybe an older version of Cubase or something could suffice save money?
    The other option is the Synthogy libraries, which should work standalone in Pro Tools. Does anybody have experince of these libraries compared to the Vienna Instruments Bösendorfer? I've listened to all the examples of both, and they are both impressive, but sometimes it's hard to tell when there are various playing styles/amounts of reverb etc. on each example.
    Thanks in advance.

    Martin
  • J
    J
    I know this is a VSL forum, but did you take a listen to Synthogy's Ivory? IMO, the sounds are pretty amazing.

    Jerome
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Thanks for the helpful hint, Jerome [6]

    *****

    Welcome Marzipan,

    Thanks for your interest. I understand that you already had GigaStudio on a dedicated PC? Why not use the Vienna Instruments Boesendorfer in stand-alone mode, similar to your previous solution?

    HTH,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M
    Thanks for the quick response time... [:)]
    Hi Jerome, thanks for post yes I'm seriously considering the Ivory because the examples do sound great, I think the sound is "different" to the Vienna Bösendorfer, but can't really say which one is "better". Like I said it's quite hard to tell when different mic techniques and different types/amounts of reverb are used, that's why I was quite interested in hearing from anybody out there who uses or has tried both Ivory and VI Bösendorfer? One consideration is that the Ivory would be very easy to install without technical issues arising, which would be a big bonus.
    Dietz, thanks for the advice, I wasn't aware that this was possible, although having looked into this a bit more it seems that it could be problematic...
    I was just reading another post "Running a VI on a GigaPC" in this same forum, in which Conquer says that he experienced problems running VI standalone alongside Gigastudio. I use the original VSL Orchestral Cube and Performance Set (Giga version), and would certainly want to have the option of using these together.
    The other thing is I have tried to search for a bit more info about how standalone works, but couldn't really find a detailed explanation and not sure how it would integrate with my setup even if I'm not using Gigastudio. The only soundcards in my PC are 2 Creamware Scope Professional DSP cards, do you know if standalone would work in this environment? It would have to be recognised and show up as a "source" in the Creamware Scope software for me to be able to use it.
    With Gigastudio you get a software source bank of GSIF outputs where you can set the number of output channels, but this is built into the Scope platform and I'm thinking perhaps it won't work because VI is newer?
    Thanks again for your help.
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC
    with the stand-alone you select a midi-in (physical or virtual midi port) and a sound device (preferred ASIO)
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @Marzipan said:

    Thanks for the quick response time... [:)] [...]
    Dietz, thanks for the advice, I wasn't aware that this was possible, although having looked into this a bit more it seems that it could be problematic...
    I was just reading another post "Running a VI on a GigaPC" in this same forum, in which Conquer says that he experienced problems running VI standalone alongside Gigastudio. [...]
    Thanks again for your help.

    I didn't necessarily mean that you should run the Vienna Instrument _alongside_ Gigastudio; I just tried to point out that you can use the VI in stand-alone-mode just as GS, especially if you just plan to use _one_ instrument like the Boesendorfer.

    HTH!
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M
    Thanks for the advice, much appreciated, I think I get the picture now! [:)]
  • C
    C
    Hi Martin.

    >Does anybody know if there will be a Giga version of this library, or are all of these new libraries only available as Vienna Instruments, forever?!

    I can't see VSL reverting to GigaStudio and the other third party samplers now they have their own player, if only for the reason that it offers them copy protection. My guess is they will stick to the Vienna Instrument format for the indefinite future.

    >The other option would be to install a sequencer on the PC, although this seems a bit excessive. Any ideas on what the cheapest way to do this would be which would allow me to install/run the Bösendorfer Vienna Instrument plugin?

    As you probably know, many people use a VST host (such as Forte or Bidule) to run VST instruments. Forte enables me to simulateously run multiple instances of the VI, Giga libraries (using GVI = Giga Virtual Instrument) and other players (Kontakt, Garritan Jazz & Big Band, etc.) on my PC. It works well - I even managed to get the old Performance Tool working for one Horizon title that needed it - and it negates the need for a sequencer on my PC. (I use Logic on a Mac G5 for that.)

    >The other thing is I have tried to search for a bit more info about how standalone works, but couldn't really find a detailed explanation

    It doesn't work like you expect it to - it's not mulitimbral, operates in MIDI 'omni' mode and doesn't have a MIDI channel select facility. That's why most people use it in conjunction with a sequencer or VST host.

    >I was just reading another post "Running a VI on a GigaPC" in this same forum, in which CONQUER says that he experienced problems running VI standalone alongside Gigastudio. [...]

    Oh, that idiot again. I never solved this problem, but I think it may have been a driver problem with my Delta 1010LT soundcard (which also handles MIDI). I'm over it now (sob).

    Sorry if any of this duplicates or mindlessly contradicts what other folks have said!
  • M
    M
    Hi Conquer,
    LOL, good post! [:D]
    Actually despite what you said at the end you've just given me a lot of useful information that I didn't already know. I will definitely look into Forte and Bidule, I think I'd heard the names before but didn't know what they were for as I'd never had cause to use them.
    As I will be mainly using the older Giga versions of the main VSL (orchestral cube + performance set) it's interesting that you've managed to use the performance tool with your setup as well. Thanks again for the info!
  • J
    J
    I'm a Bidule fan. It works well with ReWire, as well. So, you could ReWire Giga through Bidule, have your VIs in Bidule as VSTs, and run everthing in one place - which means you can also save your setups as templates for later.

    J.