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  • VI SE and 01X clicks & pops

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    Hi There, I have just installed Special edition on my G5 (4.5gRAM, 10.4.9 and Logic7.2.3) on a second 500g SATA drive. The interface is a Yamaha 01X.
    I put in 4 instances of VI with strings and 4 single line parts.
    With the 01X Mlan as selected driver I get pops and clicks but if I select the lowly
    Coreaudio, Built in Audio it plays fine.
    Are there any known issues with Mlan and VI?
    All other plugs including Kontakt, Zebra seem fine.

    Thanks,

    Simon.
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    L
    Oh and the buffer is set to 1024 and the process buffer to Medium (this is suggested for Altiverb)

    Cheers.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
    Hi Simon,

    there are no known issues with MLAN so far, and we don´t have an opportunity to check this behaviour here.... Do you have another soundcard to doublecheck?

    Thanks,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    L
    Hi Paul,
    VI SE seems to play fine thru the Built In Audio driver, which is strange as it's obviously not as powerful as the MLan. I think it may be a Logic/MLan conflict with VI as the standalone seems to be ok (but I have no way of testing with anything other than with live midi inputi.e no multiple instances).

    VI is the only plug in with a problem in this setup though as Kontakt on the next track loaded with the Kontakt VSL sounds plays clean as a whistle.

    Just to recap I'm running Logic 7.2.3, 10.4.9, G5 dual2g, 4.5g ram, with the 01X as MLan interface on the main front Firewire bus.

    VI is installed on my main G5 HD and the library is on a second 500g SATA drive. Vienna Key is in the front USB. The system can usually run a substantial load of Kontakt instances with VSL intruments routed through Altiverb, so I think it should be powerful enough?

    I've tried the Audio Hardware and Drivers buffer setting up to full (1024).

    Is there anything else you can think of that I could tweak?

    Thanks,

    Simon.

    p.s I can hear this is a fabulous instrument in spite of the clicks so congratulations on that anyway [:)]
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    H
    Do you have the same pops and clicks if you run in stand alone mode? Are you running OSX 10.4.9???
    Tim
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    L
    Hi higman,

    Yes I am running 10.4.9 and what happens is:

    VI+Standalone+MLan = fine
    VI+Logic+Built In Audio = fine
    VI+Logic+MLan= clicks

    Looks like a buffer problem but the buffer is on full 1024 and other
    plugs can handle the same and much more without a problem. Also
    Built In Audio can handle it, which is strange?

    Maybe I'll reinstall all the MLan stuff but I did this before and it made no difference.

    Thanks,
    Simon.
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    Also, the System performance meter doesn't change for either Built In or MLan and seems relatively unstressed at about 25%.

    To test atm I'm using the Bosendorfer and putting the pedal down and playing fistfuls of notes, with the aforementioned results.

    Thanks
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
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    Hi Simon,

    our development guru just posted that OS X 10.4.9 might also be the reason for this behaviour.

    Here is the corresponding thread!

    Maybe going back t 10.4.8 helps?

    Best,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    L
    Yes, I agree, 10.4.9 has been a bit of a disaster for me. It has disabled both my G4 machines from Authorising in the iTunes Store and has broken the Authorisation for AudioFinder which is not fixable apparently. The G5 is mostly ok.

    I'm not sure if I can face going back even if it's possible. I updated to 10.4.9 before buying VI and am in the middle of 4 months intensive scoring and Kontakt (my main sampler) and Logic are working well these days.

    Maybe I'll just have to wait for some future fix to use all those lovely new articulations [:(]

    I don't suppose there's any way of loading the VI stuff into Kontakt?

    Thanks,

    Simon.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
    Hi Simon,

    you cannot load the VI content into any other sample player, that´s correct.

    Maybe you can just roll back to 10.4.8 on one of your machines?

    That´s the only solution I can think of right now....

    Best,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    L
    Hi Paul,

    I think rollling back is just too scary while in deadline territory. And I'm not 100% sure if it would fix it. Will you be trying to do things with 10.4.9?

    It's very frustrating as I can lash up a connection Via Midipipe from Logic to VI
    and get it to play fine. This would only give me one instance though and I would end up wallpapering through the letterbox in order to get the Audio back into Logic.

    If you come with anything do let me know, but for the moment I guess VI has to
    be parked in the driveway...

    Thanks,

    Simon.
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    T
    Its all because of the Mlan-driver. It really sucks. This is what Yamaha says:

    Yamaha announces takeover of mLAN driver development for Mac

    January 12 th 2007 , Hammamatsu , Japan : Responding to continued speculation about the future of mLAN driver development for the Mac platform Yamaha Corporation has released the following statement on 01xRay.com:

    Dear valued customers,

    With regard to mLAN, which YAMAHA Corporation has proposed to the industry and promoted, we appreciate that many customers are enjoying its convenience under the Windows environment.

    As many of you have acknowledged and those who run Intel-based Macs can experience for yourself, on the Windows OS, mLAN is very stable and a vast majority of end users are satisfied with its performance.

    As for mLAN on the Mac OS X environment, however, we recognize that some of the performance does not satisfy specific use-cases. In the future, in order to assume more responsibility for the driver's performance and release timetables, the mLAN driver development for the 01X, i88x, mLAN16e and MY16 mLAN will be handled by YAMAHA's own software engineering team and some mLAN driver releases will be done by YAMAHA.    [/quote]
  • L
    L
    I agree the whole MLan situation seems to be dodgy and I'm already feeling some premature Betamax-style obsolescence coming on.

    But what I don't understand is why isn't a validated Audio Unit able to function as well as any other validated Audio Unit within Logic? Is it not a "standard"? Surely if one Audio Unit can play through a driver, then all Audio units can? or if not why do they get validated? Or why did the driver get "validated".

    Why can't VI play a few string parts in a Logic song next to Kontakt which plays similar content multitimbrally(sp?) perfectly? (And God knows I've had my troubles with Kontakt over the years from beta tester to the present day).

    The upshot is I've got £568 worth of plug in and content I can't use.

    Just as a matter of interest has anyone got Vi SE running perfectly in Logic 7.2.3
    and OSX 10.4.9.

    Thanks,

    Simon.
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    L
    Just to elaborate on the above;

    Audio Units from the following developers are fully functional under
    Logic 7.2.3 and the Mlan driver in my setup.

    Alphakanal
    Apple
    Camel Audio
    Expert Sleepers
    Fxpansion(including converted VSTs)
    GMedia
    Green Oak Software
    Izotope
    Korg
    MOTU
    Native Instruments
    Ohmforce
    Cycling74
    REFX
    Spectrasonics
    U-he
    YMCK
    and
    (Incompatible)-MOTU Mach Five)

    Those not functioning;

    Vienna Instruments.

    So maybe not the MLan driver?

    Thanks,

    Simon.
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    @leuroj said:


    Just as a matter of interest has anyone got Vi SE running perfectly in Logic 7.2.3
    and OSX 10.4.9.

    Working fine here.
  • S
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    On the other hand, I am running multiple instances of Vienna Instruments plugins within Logic 7.2.3 while running my G5 on OS 10.4.9 - - as well as Altiverb 6, Ozone, various NI libraries and, aside from variable loading times for the Vienna Instruments plugin, have encountered no problems, so far. However I am using a MOTU 2408 mk3/PCI 424 as the audio interface.
  • L
    L
    Just hooked up an old 828mkii and that works fine so it must be the combo of Logic/Mlan/VI that is a problem I guess.
  • T
    T
    All my plug-ins works fine for me too when I use a Mbox as audiocard , even VI. I guess the VI put an extra load on the processor/ disk in comparison to the other plug-ins.
    Anyway, VI is useless with Logic, Motis ES and mLan. [*-)]

    Trond
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    Trond:

    I use multiple instance of VI with Logic everyday with few problems. In other words, in my experience, VI works very well with Logic.
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    Sorry, I should have been more spesific, VI and Logic isn´t the problem. Its Apple´s mLan (firewire)- driver, which Yamha use. Remember, not all companies use Apples firewire-driver, they apply their own.