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  • Crazy Idea

    This is an idea I've been wishing for since having the VSL does not make you satisfied but makes you want EVEN MORE!

    It would have a basic instrument configuration that would have layered sustain and staccato instruments, which allowed keyboard touch to determine the strength of the attack (instead of having to program separate tracks) but not the dynamic level - this would be accomplished on sustain instruments solely by a combination of pitch wheel and mod wheel. On the Emulator you could route any MIDI signal to any destination, though Gigastudio does not allow that. So you could use pitch wheel - which is useless on most samples - for volume/filter, saving the mod wheel for strength of layered articualtions like detache/staccato/marcato. This can be done partially now, with a "merged" staccato instrument and the mod wheel using layered sustains, however, in this ideal instrument there would also be a LEGATO TRIGGER - like on old analog synths, except using samples. You could play notes with varying marcato accents, but then instantly trigger a legato phrase, or instantly shut it off so that you could go back to marcato or detache. (Or on other instruments the corresponding slurred vs. tongued notes.)

    All of this is part of my goal to have a single loaded instrument that can do EVERYTHING without separate programmed tracks. (Though a few things like tremolo, trills, ponticello, etc. can be separate without causing difficulty.) The ideal would be to have all the basic playing articulations controllable in real time on one track, though this is obviously hard to do. Keyswitching is a nice try but doesn't really accomplish this goal. I am still bugged by how much programming is neccessary. You don't "program" a piano. You just sit down and play, and all the difficulties are artistic - your touch, your tempo, your phrasing, etc. This extreme technical simplicity combined with extreme artistic complexity is what makes a true musical instrument, as opposed to a machine (i.e. computer) which is the reverse.

  • cant be done in giga, until there are more dimensions, but I'm sure Herb loves the idea [[:)]] (or thought of it already, at least one of them) [[:)]]

  • Yes, the dimension limitation is a problem, and also the fact that all possible combinations have to be stored in one gigfile.

    Everytime when I design a gigfile which is bigger than 1 Gigabyte I become a little nervous...

    That's why I worked out the mapping concept for the first edition more than three times, knowing all the time, that it is impossible to offer each individual user his perfect setup.

    But there could be a different solution for the future. The combinations should not be stored in one gigfile = one miditrack. We need a intelligent "translater" between sequenzer and sampler.

    Best would be a programmable external controller with a cool and userfriendly interface which manages midichannel changes and keyswitch/dimension commands.

    So we could design on 16 midi channels a big live performance setup.
    Here I don't see limitations: if you want 10 different startingnotes for a legatoline or if you are layering different articulations, or whatever.

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    @Another User said:

    We need a intelligent "translater" between sequenzer and sampler.

    Best would be a programmable external controller with a cool and userfriendly interface which manages midichannel changes and keyswitch/dimension commands.


    Herb, I can't help think these features should be incorporated into a taylor-made notation/sequencer program - or a plug-in for an existing program like Sibelius, Finale or Geniesoft's Overture 3, where intelligent score symbols can specify legato, repetition and even automatic choice of sample length within an instrument, depending on the written note and the tempo specified. The sequencer program already has this information.[/quote]